India in England Jun-Sept 2014

holy hell England needs a spinner

Whats the status on Monty. Last time he got a handful of wickets when England visited India. He was quite critical in that series win and as good as Swann
 
Dhoni would be better off attacking the new ball when it comes, but I dont expect him to do it (so far, he has not showed attacking signs).

what match are you watching?
 
Well with all the build up focus on Kohli and Pujara, Vijay has batted beautifully. He has been pretty consistent since South Africa series. He may not have runs to support but he has been all wide deliveries and been patient all along. Vijay and Dhawan have given India good starts in test which we so lack in ODIs. Even 50-60 run opening wicket with 20 overs bowled sees off the new ball whicu is so crucial which is why we sent Dravid to open the innings last time.
 
Since a lot of the talk has been about DRS above, I will like to chip in with a point. The truth is that Umpire's call makes no sense for one more reason.

For instance, in an LBW decision the Umpire knows the ball is hitting the stumps only partly and not full on, just enough to return an "Umpire's Call" on review. However this is not an issue for the Umpire, he knows the ball is 'just' hitting the stumps, and if that is the only issue he would give it out. However the issue is he is not sure if the batsman was struck in line of the stumps. The Umpire is of the view that the Batsman was struck outside the stumps, and if he believed that the ball struck the Batsman in line he would have given it out, even though the ball would partly go on to hit the stumps.

The Bowling side reviews, and lo and behold, the Impact was slam bang in line of the stumps, but then the ball is show to 'just' be hitting the stumps and 'Umpire's call' is returned, hence the Not Out Decision stands. This is now ridiculous, because the basis of the 'Not Out' was not whether the ball would 'just' hit the stumps, but whether the Impact was in line or not. The Umpire having seen that the impact was in line, would give the Batsman out, the basis of the decision was where the impact was and not whether the ball would hit the stumps, but he cannot, because there is no provision to explain what he was basing his decision on to the person making the review, the Third Umpire.

In a decision where there are three grounds to consider 1) Where did the ball pitch, 2) Where was the impact 3) Would it hit the stumps, on which of the three grounds did the Umpire rule Out or Not Out is important. Without knowing this just blindly returning an 'Umpire's Call' is ridiculous.

In the above example, the Umpire would have liked to review whether the impact was in line of the stumps or not, and having seen that the impact was in line, he would have ruled it out. However the DRS, which will show the impact was in line, will just plainly assume that the Umpire already knew this and doesn't have any doubts on this part, and will let the decision Not Out stand on the ground that the ball was only partly hitting the stumps, Which the Umpire knew and was fine with, and which was never a ground for him ruling the appeal as Not Out !!

That is DRS for you !!

Okay onto the test itself, I had thought that it would be a 5-0 whitewash but on the basis of the 1st session I am willing to reconsider that. What a waste of a pitch !

Ye i've never found this reasoning of the DRS to make sense. Yes they have told us that the predictive element is actually not 100% accurate - but it should work both ways in favour for the team/batsman/bowler who reviews & the umpire.
 
So KP's analysis of vijay has come true:D....certainly eng team are better without his inputs:rolleyes

Dhoni keeping his word so far on attacking
 
A streaky innings can still be attacking. And he has mostly played confident shots barring 2-3 streaky ones. Overall a very valuable innings by the captain

Hope he continues
 
His S/R looks like an attacking innings, but most of his runs have been streaky that has fetched him some lucky runs.
Please don't say that. It looks like he is getting some lucky runs, but that's wrong understanding of his methodology.
I heard the commentators say positive about his innings. They said that he has got a late movement of wrist. Got quick hands.
 
I think Ali was terribly handled by Cook, 2 overs...then 1...and then 6 on the trot with the new ball if I'm not mistaken. This is not how you handle a part time spinner and a bad spell with the ball can affect his batting too.

Like I said before, Ali is an extremely well equipped batsman and he should stay as one, he should not have to have the added pressure of bowling, especially against the Indians. England need to pick an all out spinner and sacrifice one of the pace bowlers.
 
I think Ali was terribly handled by Cook, 2 overs...then 1...and then 6 on the trot with the new ball if I'm not mistaken. This is not how you handle a part time spinner and a bad spell with the ball can affect his batting too.

Like I said before, Ali is an extremely well equipped batsman and he should stay as one, he should not have to have the added pressure of bowling, especially against the Indians. England need to pick an all out spinner and sacrifice one of the pace bowlers.

We simply don't have anyone at the moment is who is either good enough or in sufficiently good form to stick in there as a specialist spinner.
 
Cricinfo said:
When MS Dhoni - none of whose six Test centuries have come outside the subcontinent - walked in at 178 for 4, after Liam Plunkett's around-the-wicket ribcage attack had prised out Ajinkya Rahane in the first over after tea, it could have gone either way. But Dhoni was hardly troubled, on a pitch with little of the extra bounce that often exposes his lack of footwork when the ball moves outside off stump, and moved to 50 by stumps, having scored at a strike rate of nearly 80 without particularly going after the bowling, and having seen off nine overs of the second new ball

Source: England v India, 1st Investec Test, Trent Bridge Report : Vijay ton takes India past setbacks | Cricket News | ESPN Cricinfo

Cricinfo says it too. His innings didn't look attacking at all. Yes, he did get the runs and his S/R looks healthy, but it was not attacking. And India were constantly hovering at 2.8 - 2.9 runs per over when Dhoni was batting. Dhoni could have pushed the score more during the 70-80th overs before the new ball, with the pitch being benign. Anyways, good for him that he has survived 9 overs of the new ball (I didnt expect him to do it).
 
Getting to 300 will be a big milestone for us, since we never crossed that mark last time
 

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