India in England Jun-Sept 2014

[greymatter776]

Irfan Pathan, I cringe every time I see him bowl now.

Hard to believe now he had actually made a wonderful hat trick in his prime.

 

[SpitfiresKent]

The ECB are doing a wonderful job in being worst than Football Association. This is like asking Graham Taylor or Steve McClaren to coach the under 21, after the failed to qualify for major tournaments.

Just like Duncan Fletcher left after doing his part, Flower should be GONE!!

People seem to forget the success we had under Flower (yes the last 12-16 months were abysmal) but we had some good success. I have no problem at all with Flower coaching the Lions.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

People seem to forget the success we had under Flower (yes the last 12-16 months were abysmal) but we had some good success. I have no problem at all with Flower coaching the Lions.

Personally I'd like the England setup to be about finding the best players and then devising a management and coaching strategy to bring the best out of them, rather than fixing a management and coaching strategy and finding the players best suited to it.

I suspect Flower's coaching is of the latter school.

 

[War]

English fan who are watching the natwest t20, Finn & Meaker bowling at good pace today.

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People seem to forget the success we had under Flower (yes the last 12-16 months were abysmal) but we had some good success. I have no problem at all with Flower coaching the Lions.

Nah, the last 12-16 months has tainted his legacy, just like how the last few months of Fletcher were bad. We need new faces, i don't want Flower dealing with out next generation/2nd XI team. Thank him for his time & let him move on.

I rather some promising English country coach deal with Lions.

 

[cricket_icon]

The handling of Finn has clearly been terrible, just like the handling of Anderson in early 2000s.

The guy came in with genuine pace and a golden arm, and after Engalnd's expert coaching he wasn't even bowling well enough to carry the drinks.

Anderson is probably going to finish as England's top wicket taker in tests but he nearly ended up relegated to the county game because some committee of useless asshats decided his action needed "improving".

I wonder just how many potentially great players have been ruined by crap coaching sometimes.

Ah yeah, Jimmy in 03 was very good and then he disappeared for years. It happens for a tonne of guys in English cricket and very few manage to come back. It's testament to Anderson's mental fortitude and physical ability that he managed to come back.

Another example, in recent times I can think of is Adil Rashid, he came into the international side at 19 and had some decent enough performances. His greatest attribute imo was that he was an English leg spin bowler, that's a true rarity, he should have been helped to develop but he wasn't. He was used poorly in the games he did play, not always finishing his overs. It perplexed me then and still perplexes me now.

I really believe we can learn from the Asian teams when it comes to handling young, precocious talent. They need to be given breathing room at the highest level and a management which says we'll stick with you for a few games and we will put you in important situations. Yes that can sometimes lead to certain talent floundering and drowning but more often than not great talents come through and succeed.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

Ah yeah, Jimmy in 03 was very good and then he disappeared for years. It happens for a tonne of guys in English cricket and very few manage to come back. It's testament to Anderson's mental fortitude and physical ability that he managed to come back.

Well the thing about Anderson is he wasn't even on the books at Lancs until he was 17. Normally players get into the system at u.11, u.13 level and they get the living daylights coached out of them by old club players who think they know more about the game than they really do.

Anderson arrived on the scene bowling with more or less exactly the same technique he'd been using since he was a boy (I mean literally, his bowling action is absolutely recognisable from when he was 11 years old at Burnley CC), and so naturally a load of coaches wanted to get into him and make up for all the crap coaching he'd dodged because the system at Lancs was staffed by people too dumb to realise that he was a future test bowler until he started blasting out sides in Lancs League cricket.

 

[abhi_jacko]

Rohit Sharma likely to play at Ageas Bowl

I wish they would bring in Ashwin instead .. 4 bowler theory reminds me of the 4-0 whitewashes we had, when our frontline bowlers broke down. Scary

 

[asprin]

No, not Rohit please. Ashwin is a way better choice..

 

[lion100lion]

For me two changes in the team :-
Gambhir for Dhawan and Ashwin for Binny.

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Meanwhile,
Ravindra Jadeja fined 50% match fee; found guilty of Level 1 offence but cleared of original charge.
Jadeja fined 50% of match fee, found not guilty of original offence - The Hindu

 

[SaiSrini]

I just pray that Dhoni doesnt go with Rohit Sharma. Considering Dhoni's luck, it might click but I prefer to stick to the conventional thought process that since Bhuvaneshwar Kumar is getting us good runs right now, we really do not need that extra batsman. And also added to that, Ashwin has test centuries to his name and is more than a decent bat in test cricket. And even though people might say that Ashwin has failed overseas with the ball, he is the specialist spinner picked and not playing him while playing a part time offspinner is crazy. In Ashwin's defence, Anil Kumble in his initial days was as bad with the ball overseas.

Relying on Vijay and Rohit's offspin is serious disservice to Ashwin.

 

[used2bcool]

Picking Rohit Sharma would be a terrible, defensive move designed to keep the score 1-0, and not making an attempt to go 2-0 at the risk of being 1-1. It's right up Dhoni and Fletcher's alley!

I think Dhawan gets one more chance, but poor Stuart Binny has to go - not because I think he's a terrible cricketer or anything (I have my doubts but he's been useful so far), but Dhoni clearly has no use for him. Might as well get in someone the captain can find some use for.

 

[grkrama]

add to that ashwin is a decent bat overseas.

Last match even though we won due to ishant sharma suddenly transforming to a super saiyan.

What we were actually expecting was jadeja to get wickets on final day, which he was not able to despite assistance from wicket, without someone at the other end spinning the web too.So having ashwin would have totally made sense.

 

[abhi_jacko]

In Ashwin's defence, Anil Kumble in his initial days was as bad with the ball overseas.

I would have agreed with you because your post made sense. But this bit is not true because Kumble had a pretty good start to his overseas career.

Kumble's 24 wickets in his first 4 overseas Tests including a 6 wkt haul. Not a single wicketless match

v/s

Ashwin's 9 wickets in 4 matches with 2 matches going wicketless.

 

[lion100lion]

not because I think he's a terrible cricketer or anything (I have my doubts but he's been useful so far), but Dhoni clearly has no use for him.

What do you mean by that ? You are saying that Binny is useful but he should be kept out of the team because Dhoni doesn't use him ?

 

[SaiSrini]

I would have agreed with you because your post made sense. But this bit is not true because Kumble had a pretty good start to his overseas career.

Kumble's 24 wickets in his first 4 overseas Tests including a 6 wkt haul. Not a single wicketless match

v/s

Ashwin's 9 wickets in 4 matches with 2 matches going wicketless.

I am not a stats guy, but I remember 200% that initially Kumble was mediocre to poor in overseas tests, and he turned it around most in 2003 or so when he had some good series in Australia. I started watching cricket actively since 1996 and my source for that statement is purely from analytical articles I've read, commentators analysis, etc. Probably he might have some good series at the beginning, but he was not a truly reliable bowler for overseas conditions until the early 2000's,