India Team Discussion

[Neo 7]

I don't know why most of the people here misplace "Jadhav" with "Yadav" .

 

[Bigby Wolf]

India v Australia: Suresh Raina and Amit Mishra fail fitness test | Cricket News - The Times of India

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

So Suresh Raina fails fitness test but Ashish Nehra passes? Hmm strange times we live in. I was excited about Dhoni's leadership when Dravid/Kumble stepped out, I was excited for Kohli's leadership when Dhoni was near done but now its just all politics. No matter how good Kohli will be as a Batsman if this politics continue I am sure things wont be good for Team India. Probably during Dhoni's time too politics was played with RP Singh and Ashwins and CSK players playing but Dhoni has introduced us to players like Kohli while under Kohli we will only see a 40 year Yuvraj coming in and going out forever.[DOUBLEPOST=1506959837][/DOUBLEPOST]Also I would have selected Pant or younger generation against Kartik. WTF and why Kartik?

 

[Bigby Wolf]

So Suresh Raina fails fitness test but Ashish Nehra passes? Hmm strange times we live in. I was excited about Dhoni's leadership when Dravid/Kumble stepped out, I was excited for Kohli's leadership when Dhoni was near done but now its just all politics. No matter how good Kohli will be as a Batsman if this politics continue I am sure things wont be good for Team India. Probably during Dhoni's time too politics was played with RP Singh and Ashwins and CSK players playing but Dhoni has introduced us to players like Kohli while under Kohli we will only see a 40 year Yuvraj coming in and going out forever.[DOUBLEPOST=1506959837][/DOUBLEPOST]Also I would have selected Pant or younger generation against Kartik. WTF and why Kartik?

Exactly the points you made were discussed in the video.

 

[asprin]

Personally, I feel we should definitely look beyond Nehra, Raina, and Yuvraj. We keep going back to these three even when there are better options available to us. Why their names keep coming up is beyond me.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Personally, I feel we should definitely look beyond Nehra, Raina, and Yuvraj. We keep going back to these three even when there are better options available to us. Why their names keep coming up is beyond me.

I agree, but Raina only came into talks because Nehra who apparently had 16.1 score in yo yo fitness test and Raina Yuvi failed. All three are good players and all three have served Indian cricket well but I do not think and will not agree that Nehra has a higher fitness level to Raina or Yuvi. I am really disappointed with Nehra & Dinesh's selection. Young format needs young guns.[DOUBLEPOST=1506962037][/DOUBLEPOST]

Personally, I feel we should definitely look beyond Nehra, Raina, and Yuvraj. We keep going back to these three even when there are better options available to us. Why their names keep coming up is beyond me.

Also Nehra in 40's wont be around for T20 WC in 2020 but Suresh Raina is just 30 he can play the 2019 WC as well as 2020 WC. He has good 7 years to serve Indian cricket whereas Yuvraj is 35 so its ok to over look him.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

So Suresh Raina fails fitness test but Ashish Nehra passes? Hmm strange times we live in. I was excited about Dhoni's leadership when Dravid/Kumble stepped out, I was excited for Kohli's leadership when Dhoni was near done but now its just all politics. No matter how good Kohli will be as a Batsman if this politics continue I am sure things wont be good for Team India. Probably during Dhoni's time too politics was played with RP Singh and Ashwins and CSK players playing but Dhoni has introduced us to players like Kohli while under Kohli we will only see a 40 year Yuvraj coming in and going out forever.[DOUBLEPOST=1506959837][/DOUBLEPOST]Also I would have selected Pant or younger generation against Kartik. WTF and why Kartik?

There was no politics during Dhoni's tenure as a captain. He had a simple policy of backing certain people and giving them a long rope to perform. That's why at times one felt that he was favouring people. To sight an example to you, MSD never every shy'ed' away from giving DK chances. He was even there at the CT we won and the T20 WC we won. For the longest time, DK was supposed to be whatever MS is today but inspite of being lesser talented and less technical, through sheer mental strength, determination and his calm in pressure situations MS has become what he has. DK has been tried again and again and not once was MS insecure.

Let's look at Suresh Raina- He's been picked and dropped in MSD's tenure. He was the most accused of being in the side because of Dhoni. The same applies to Jadeja and Ashwin. BOTH have been picked and dropped. During his tenure, I never ever heard whispers of issues between him and Kirsten or Fletcher. Okay, Fletcher had to accommodate Shastri later on but it was not on MS accord.

In his short stint as captain, a lot of things with Kohli seem a bit weird. I think he has a monarch school of thought where he's the selector, captain and management. I see people saying it awaits doom and gloom but he might be successful. You never know. Is it right? 100% not. But a lot of wrong things work in this world.

Personally, I'd love to see this fitness test Mr. Nehra has passed but Mr.Raina has failed. I don't think Suresh is any less fitter than any Indian cricketer to be honest. But, ...

 

[SaiSrini]

Personally, I feel we should definitely look beyond Nehra, Raina, and Yuvraj. We keep going back to these three even when there are better options available to us. Why their names keep coming up is beyond me.

Raina is not that old to be completely discarded for ever. He is a more than useful bat in the middle order and is a destroyer when he gets the big hits going (provided he is slotted right), provides variety with his offspin, is a brilliant fielder and MOST IMPORTANTLY is a cheerful and positive attitude of a cricketer. This last point is pretty significant in a team that is trying to shape up around its captain's personality/attitude and that at many moments can backfire. When Ganguly was captain, its the personalities like Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Kumble, etc who kept the team moving forward and avoided the team completely re-branding itself around its captain's personality/image. Same thing should happen right now where we need players like Dhoni, Raina with their personalities to keep the balance in the right place.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Raina is not that old to be completely discarded for ever. He is a more than useful bat in the middle order and is a destroyer when he gets the big hits going (provided he is slotted right), provides variety with his offspin, is a brilliant fielder and MOST IMPORTANTLY is a cheerful and positive attitude of a cricketer. This last point is pretty significant in a team that is trying to shape up around its captain's personality/attitude and that at many moments can backfire. When Ganguly was captain, its the personalities like Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Kumble, etc who kept the team moving forward and avoided the team completely re-branding itself around its captain's personality/image. Same thing should happen right now where we need players like Dhoni, Raina with their personalities to keep the balance in the right place.

The BIGGEST reason you want to play Raina is because he's a PROVEN entity. Big match player with mountains of experience but doesn't come with compromises that some older players do.[DOUBLEPOST=1507034582][/DOUBLEPOST]If you follow Indian Cricket on YouTube, you will find Mr.Shastri basking in the glory of the team on numerous platforms. Well done Kohli!

 

[SaiSrini]

The BIGGEST reason you want to play Raina is because he's a PROVEN entity. Big match player with mountains of experience but doesn't come with compromises that some older players do.[DOUBLEPOST=1507034582][/DOUBLEPOST]If you follow Indian Cricket on YouTube, you will find Mr.Shastri basking in the glory of the team on numerous platforms. Well done Kohli!

Yes (on that Raina part), but for me the attitude and personality that he brings to the table is a significant plus factor. You give me a choice between Yuvraj and Raina and I will pick Raina, just for that factor (even though Yuvraj is more experienced, can also bowl useful left arm spin, is a left handed batsman for the middle order, etc).

And two big hitters in Raina and Pandya will be fun to watch and can strengthen us in limited overs formats. That would mean Dhoni can take No.4 till he retires with Pandey, Raina and Pandya taking up lower order duties.

 

[Targaryen]

People complaining about the fitness test and result which favoured Nehra and not the other two seems very funny. The fitness test cannot be compromised at any cost. I agree Raina and Yuvi have been the best contributors to Indian Cricket. But that doesn't mean that they go on to clear the fitness test, even if they are not fit. And the fact that Nehra has been picked ahead of these two is not a politically influenced matter. Brad Hogg played for Australia in his 42s and mind you, Aussies don't compromise with fitness for a experienced spinner.

If Hogg can make it to the squad, then why not Nehra? He has got the experience, can play under pressure and has been consistent. Where as Raina missed some domestic games (for personal reason which has surely affected the relationships between him and BCCI) and even didn't make much of his chances he got couple of years ago. And in case of Yuvi, he is similarly in the same situation as Raina.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

People complaining about the fitness test and result which favoured Nehra and not the other two seems very funny. The fitness test cannot be compromised at any cost. I agree Raina and Yuvi have been the best contributors to Indian Cricket. But that doesn't mean that they go on to clear the fitness test, even if they are not fit. And the fact that Nehra has been picked ahead of these two is not a politically influenced matter. Brad Hogg played for Australia in his 42s and mind you, Aussies don't compromise with fitness for a experienced spinner.

If Hogg can make it to the squad, then why not Nehra? He has got the experience, can play under pressure and has been consistent. Where as Raina missed some domestic games (for personal reason which has surely affected the relationships between him and BCCI) and even didn't make much of his chances he got couple of years ago. And in case of Yuvi, he is similarly in the same situation as Raina.

I will give an arm and a leg if Nehra can pass a fitness test that Raina can't. Raina missed domestic games and it's a huge fuss. Dhawan has missed a high profile international series as a centrally contracted BCCI cricketer and he's selected? I'm not a selector and not a captain. Incompetent to do so and I'm sure Kohli is a well deserved captain of India. But, I'm a learned worshipper of the game and when you tell me that Raina has failed a fitness test as the reason for his non-selection and then select someone as unfit as Nehra, you insult the intelligence of the common Indian cricket fan. Sorry, but there's a difference in selecting people that you please vs selecting people that the team needs.

The barometer for selection has to be the same for one and all. This is not something against Nehra, it's something against Kohli and that chimpanzee Shastri.

 

[Targaryen]

I will give an arm and a leg if Nehra can pass a fitness test that Raina can't. Raina missed domestic games and it's a huge fuss. Dhawan has missed a high profile international series as a centrally contracted BCCI cricketer and he's selected? I'm not a selector and not a captain. Incompetent to do so and I'm sure Kohli is a well deserved captain of India. But, I'm a learned worshipper of the game and when you tell me that Raina has failed a fitness test as the reason for his non-selection and then select someone as unfit as Nehra, you insult the intelligence of the common Indian cricket fan. Sorry, but there's a difference in selecting people that you please vs selecting people that the team needs.

Have you ever been to National Academy for watching how players are checked for fitness? I honestly, haven't seen that. There is something which the fans are missing. I'll help you out:

Firstly, tell me why Raina went for fitness test when he hasn't yet impressed the selectors? Himself, Yuvi and Nehra are the experienced players and they are older than the ones who are currently in the squad. And the word 'currently' has some significance here. Current players are the young guns and they are in a great form for which they are selected and already in the squad while those 3 players are the 'returning' players. They will surely go under fitness test before selection and if you can analyze what I'm talking about, then you would get a clear idea about what this fuss is all about.

Those three were the probable players to be selected in the squad. Hence they went under fitness test. The fact that two of them failed the test is honestly the fact to be accepted. Raina is a batsman and a part-time bowler. Same goes with Yuvi as well. Hence they might've gone through all the 3 department tests. While Nehra has been given importance for bowling only.

Let me tell you that no player will go for fitness test without BCCI wanting them to go for. And BCCI only asks the players to go for test just to see if they are really fit for selection. That means they have been discussing these players and have asked them to go for test before selecting them. So no politics here. And the Raina missing the fitness test is not a shock at all. He isn't a superman to pass all the fitness test everytime.

 

[Satan666]

Meh Raina looks a bit overweight whilst Nehra looks fit. Nor do I see any issue with Nehra playing.

 

[Villain]

Why can't Nehra surpass Raina in the fitness test?

Anyway, here are some details about the fitness test:
What is Yo-Yo fitness Test that Yuvraj Singh, Suresh Raina failed ahead of ODI squad selection? | Zee News