India Team Discussion

[LiveLoveABD]

Nehra doesn't need to do a fitness test but Raina and Yuvraj do. That in itself answers your questions and my issue. The criteria has to be the same for one and all.

As for Raina looking fat? David Warner himself always looks fat. He's a stalkily built chap and unlike Nehra doesn't have the height to hide his muscle.

 

[Villain]

Nehra doesn't need to do a fitness test but Raina and Yuvraj do. That in itself answers your questions and my issue. The criteria has to be the same for one and all.

I agree but where did they mention Nehra did not went through the fitness test? That article is old, August to be more precise.

 

[CerealKiller]

In his short stint as captain, a lot of things with Kohli seem a bit weird. I think he has a monarch school of thought where he's the selector, captain and management. I see people saying it awaits doom and gloom but he might be successful. You never know. Is it right? 100% not. But a lot of wrong things work in this world.

Imran Khan had more influence than the board chairman in his time. It's not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes you need to override democracy.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Imran Khan had more influence than the board chairman in his time. It's not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes you need to override democracy.

Yeah. Let's just make Kohli the chairman of the BCCI. At the moment, he's the selector, physio, coach and captain only. This 'monarch' school of thought is extremely yesteryear. Don't mind, but at the time Imran took over the reins, Pakistan needed direction because they were quite unorganised. He took a more professional approach with him and literally educated the sub-continent and Pakistan in particular about team building in cricket. Pakistan till today, struggles to find such a leader. In my two decades of watching, India has been lucky to have Ganguly and Dhoni with a huge helping hand from the likes of Kumble, Dravid and Tendulkar. I always find Laxman's contribution to the leadership side vastly over rated. He was never a LOI cricketer and never in the running to be the captain.

Back to Kohli, what have the tenure of Shastri/Kohli achieved overseas for us? Let's talk hard facts in terms of test series or test match wins outside the sub continent or ICC silverware? Zilch. The general public is getting excited about a team of 20-25 cricketers, mostly Dhoni's brainchild and about achievement practically all Indian captains have. Victories in the subcontinent. It's always been near impossible to beat India in India and if we are going to discuss our great feats in SL and WI, then I have little to add.

I personally feel there's too much power in the hands of Kohli. It's not like it's fallen in his hands as a result of circumstances. It also isn't a well plotted political master stroke. This, just like Kohli's batting is a 'it's my time now' declaration. Make no mistake, none of this makes me any less of a Kohli fan for the cricketer and batsman that he is. But, he has definitely polluted my thinking in that he only plays cricket for the tri-colour.

 

[Villain]

Imran Khan had more influence than the board chairman in his time. It's not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes you need to override democracy.

Yes but I'm sure Imran Khan must've got players which the team needs and not his friends while Kohli has got most of his mates from RCB to the national squad while the other half are from MI.

 

[asprin]

Raina is not that old to be completely discarded for ever.

Age was never a factor.

He is a more than useful bat in the middle order and is a destroyer when he gets the big hits going (provided he is slotted right)

This right here is my concern. No doubt he was good when he was in his peak. But I'm not sure if he will be able to do that today. I don't really follow domestic cricket but what I've seen of him in the previous two IPL editions, I think he has lost his touch. There were a couple of flashy performances but the consistency was missing.

MOST IMPORTANTLY is a cheerful and positive attitude of a cricketer.

Now this is something that I concur with. But is it worth occupying a slot in the team solely on that?

In my opinion, he and Yuvi are well past their sell date. They served the team well in their prime but it's time we let go of them now. We have a pool of players who can become the next Raina or Yuvraj. So why not invest in them instead of someone who is more likely than not fail to make the playing X1 during WC 2019?

 

[Velocity]

Raina will still definitely be on the selector's radar in the years to come. I believe he will be best 6. But why is everyone complaining that Raina failed and Nehra passed? Are they suggesting it's rigged?

There is no need to bring Karthik. It is best to play Rishabh Pant from here on looking forward. He should be groomed and looked after from here on looking forward to the near future.

Again, sticking to only veteran players always are not going to help us win World Cups. Time to exploit Rishabh's raw talent.

 

[SaiSrini]

Age was never a factor.

This right here is my concern. No doubt he was good when he was in his peak. But I'm not sure if he will be able to do that today. I don't really follow domestic cricket but what I've seen of him in the previous two IPL editions, I think he has lost his touch. There were a couple of flashy performances but the consistency was missing.

Now this is something that I concur with. But is it worth occupying a slot in the team solely on that?

In my opinion, he and Yuvi are well past their sell date. They served the team well in their prime but it's time we let go of them now. We have a pool of players who can become the next Raina or Yuvraj. So why not invest in them instead of someone who is more likely than not fail to make the playing X1 during WC 2019?

If age is not a factor, how do you come to a conclusion that Raina is well past his sell date? Raina was above average in the recent IPL that happened, without being spectacular. And that was at a time when he had personal issues. The guy has since been fighting hard by working on his fitness and looking to make a comeback. I have not seen Yuvraj put in the kind of effort that Raina is putting in now to return to the India side. Raina's performances might not merit him selection above others but to say "he's past sell date" is unfair. Let him fight for his place and get in on merit. The door does not have to be closed to him forever. If he performs, he should be selected.

Raina is just 31 (about to complete 31 this November). Most Indian players hit their peak at around this time and start their decline/fade post 35, unless they are like Tendulkar who started fading post 38.

Raina will still definitely be on the selector's radar in the years to come. I believe he will be best 6. But why is everyone complaining that Raina failed and Nehra passed? Are they suggesting it's rigged?

There is no need to bring Karthik. It is best to play Rishabh Pant from here on looking forward. He should be groomed and looked after from here on looking forward to the near future.

Again, sticking to only veteran players always are not going to help us win World Cups. Time to exploit Rishabh's raw talent.

I doubt if Rishabh will be groomed in time for 2019 WC. Karthik and Parthiv are still in the radar and a lot more matured than they were in their earlier days. I feel Rishabh will be given better opportunities post 2019 WC.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Raina will still definitely be on the selector's radar in the years to come. I believe he will be best 6. But why is everyone complaining that Raina failed and Nehra passed? Are they suggesting it's rigged?

There is no need to bring Karthik. It is best to play Rishabh Pant from here on looking forward. He should be groomed and looked after from here on looking forward to the near future.

Again, sticking to only veteran players always are not going to help us win World Cups. Time to exploit Rishabh's raw talent.

Nope not suggesting fitness test is rigged as he did not go through fitness test if things I have read is accurate. He was selected purely based on his "form"

 

[Villain]

Nehra to retire from all forms of cricket - ESPNcricinfo

 

[Ahmad94]

Nehra doesn't need to do a fitness test but Raina and Yuvraj do. That in itself answers your questions and my issue. The criteria has to be the same for one and all.

As for Raina looking fat? David Warner himself always looks fat. He's a stalkily built chap and unlike Nehra doesn't have the height to hide his muscle.

Nehra plays T20 almost exclusively and is often hidden around the field when it comes to fielding, therefore doesn't require much fitness to ball 24 balls - often broken into 2 or 3 spells. Whereas Raina is an electric fielder and adds to the lower middle order where scampering for extra runs in important. It would be a waste if he is not able to run as well as his partner when India are chasing down those large totals, as they often do.

 

[Satan666]

Nehra to retire from all forms of cricket - ESPNcricinfo

Shame really, greatly misused by team management.

Wouldve been a great asset in the T20 WC.

 

[CerealKiller]

Shame really, greatly misused by team management.

Wouldve been a great asset in the T20 WC.

He'd be 41 by then.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

He'd be 41 by then.

You know he was kidding right? @FireAndBlood you were kidding right?

 

[Satan666]

You know he was kidding right? @FireAndBlood you were kidding right?

Nope not kidding.

Brad Hogg is still playing at age 46 in competitive T20 leagues such as BBL.