India tour of Australia Nov'20-Jan'21

[Sherlock Holmes]

Come on guys. It was a good effort. Don't just give up on the team like this after a loss.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Washington Sundar is the new bits & pirces cricketer - Sanju Manju.

He said this?

 

[LiveLoveABD]

I don't get the big deal about Samson. He's at best an IPL player where he will win you 2 games in a season.

Another thing which this moron management and captain won't understand is that a lot of teams will now play two leggies against India. There is no left hander in the middle and we cannot use Pandya as a floater because we need him to finish. I would have preferred for SKY to bat 4 but if he's not I don't understand why Shreyas has to give up his number for Samson? It's just brainless!!!

In my opinion, Kishan/Pant have got to play and bat at 5. It will give whoever bats at 4 some freedom as well as render support to Pandya and Jadeja and not put all the pressure on them to finish. I think 4 really comes down to Sky or Iyer in my opinion. Today also proved why you need a proper keeper to keep wickets. It won't be as obvious as in tests, but the blunder could happen in a knockout ICC game and this experiment with Rahul has to end. He's not a better keeper than Samson anyway!

The left hander in the middle order is critical. I can see two leg spinners providing a royal choke against India from 7-15 where we anyway play quite conservatively.

 

[SaiSrini]

I don't get the big deal about Samson. He's at best an IPL player where he will win you 2 games in a season.

Another thing which this moron management and captain won't understand is that a lot of teams will now play two leggies against India. There is no left hander in the middle and we cannot use Pandya as a floater because we need him to finish. I would have preferred for SKY to bat 4 but if he's not I don't understand why Shreyas has to give up his number for Samson? It's just brainless!!!

In my opinion, Kishan/Pant have got to play and bat at 5. It will give whoever bats at 4 some freedom as well as render support to Pandya and Jadeja and not put all the pressure on them to finish. I think 4 really comes down to Sky or Iyer in my opinion. Today also proved why you need a proper keeper to keep wickets. It won't be as obvious as in tests, but the blunder could happen in a knockout ICC game and this experiment with Rahul has to end. He's not a better keeper than Samson anyway!

The left hander in the middle order is critical. I can see two leg spinners providing a royal choke against India from 7-15 where we anyway play quite conservatively.

I agree with you on this! Either Kishan or Pant is a must. It will also relieve Rahul of the keeping duties and I hear he is not yet sharp enough to judge close calls for DRS reviews (I didn't watch the match, but reading social media comments, it seems like the story that happened). Maybe see if Kishan and/or Pant do better on that front

I wish they can try out SKY soon enough before the upcoming T20 WC, to totally evaluate all their options. However I feel Kohli and the team management will say "we have Shreyas, Samson, Manish, Rahul, Agarwal and we dont need to add another guy to that already overflowing competition for the middle order with Rohit and Kohli the only confirmed spots in the XI for No. 1 and No. 3".

 

[SaiSrini]

That Wade LBW controversy - WHAT. A. HOWLER!!! I mean, how do you put it all on the keeper? I can see how he might have thought that the ball could be going down the leg side from his angle.. Let me ask this (thinking out loud - don't start tearing into me on this like people have been doing to my opinions in this forum this past few months ) - what is wrong if a player takes a review after seeing the replay? And what is wrong in a replay being shown within those 15 secs timeframe? If it leads to a correct decision, why not? I understand that if its an umpire's call, then umpire sticks to his original decision. But if its a clear howler and the fielding team gets to see the replay while they make their DRS call, what is wrong in it? Isn't the DRS meant to reach at more accurate decisions? Same scenario applies for asking the dressing room on a DRS call. The time frame is set at 15 secs (maybe could add 5 secs extra to it in future, MAYBE) and everything has to happen within that. Isn't it foolproof enough for teams not being able to take any unfair advantage of asking the dressing room or seeing big screen replay? Or is there something that I am not seeing here that others here might enlighten me about?

 

[Velocity]

He's never really excelled in international cricket, has he?

It's true, he hasn't. Had a look at his stats, he averages a measly 10.50 with the bat in ODI's but I don't think he's ever been given a consistent run. Has only been given a run of at most three ODIS in a row, out of which he didn't have to bat in one of them. He always seemed to be a very good T20 cricketer though, he's pretty handy with the ball and I still remember him taking some great catches during SRH's IPL win in 2016. Think Australia never really found a role for him in the team, and always went for someone like a Mitch Marsh who's clear role is to finish the innings off. Henriques seems to have been misused big time during his time as an Australian cricketer. Although he does average 31 @ 135 in T20i which isn't too bad, don't think there's really room for him unless Marsh/Stoinis gets injured, even still the management clearly have had no idea how to use him.

D'Arcy Short doesn't seem useful down the order, and if he's gonna replace Warner at the top of the order after he retires it looks like he needs to play spin better. Tom Moody on Cricinfo said that he struggles with pace off the ball, which is a valid point, as he easily scores runs at a great strike rate in the BBL, but failed miserably in the IPL and hasn't had a great innings of note in international cricket against competent spinners in teams such as India.

Adding on to that I don't think the BBL has been effective in producing good Australian T20 players. I think there is a lack of variety in the bowling attacks that teams have, and the newer local batsmen in the BBL are very inexperienced. Sams is another guy who finished top of the wicket takers in the last BBL, while he got smoked in the IPL and in this series. Same argument applies for D'Arcy Short. I think it's a good move that there are going to be three overseas players in the XI instead of two, as I think for Australia to develop some genuine T20 players from their own league they're gonna have to expose their players to a variety of different bowlers and batsmen overseas. The BBL compared to some of the other leagues have fallen off in terms of developing their players on a bigger stage against some bigger players.

 

[Aislabie]

Warner out of the first Test.

Also, Pucovski might have another concussion.

Now who opens the batting?!

 

[Neptune]

If pucovski does not play the first test, I think Marcus Harris might play

 

[LiveLoveABD]

I agree with you on this! Either Kishan or Pant is a must. It will also relieve Rahul of the keeping duties and I hear he is not yet sharp enough to judge close calls for DRS reviews (I didn't watch the match, but reading social media comments, it seems like the story that happened). Maybe see if Kishan and/or Pant do better on that front

I wish they can try out SKY soon enough before the upcoming T20 WC, to totally evaluate all their options. However I feel Kohli and the team management will say "we have Shreyas, Samson, Manish, Rahul, Agarwal and we dont need to add another guy to that already overflowing competition for the middle order with Rohit and Kohli the only confirmed spots in the XI for No. 1 and No. 3".

I was also hinting at the keeping and use of DRS with Rahul. He also has a bad habit or if I can call it so, a DK or Kamran Akmal habit of appealing like he's dead certain and it's an instinctive appeal and then not taking a DRS. I mean!! Okay, in the past you could use such tactics to put the ump under pressure but with a total of 4 reviews per innings each side, he's really just wasting his time and frankly making a fool of himself because sometimes Dhoni's appeal got dismissals even if they were unsure because of his honesty and fair play.

I think personally, Rahul doesn't want to give up the gloves and he thinks the more he keeps, the better he will get at it. And why does he not want to give it up? Because he's simply insecure about his place in the side and thinks that if Dhawan will open for India with Rohit then he might as well keep and bat in the middle order. Again, it just shows how undecided the management is even after the farce of the 2019 World Cup.

The biggest and most important thing to do is make a commitment to the squad that will play the next two world cups. If there is a shoot out for some positions then those guys need to be made aware of it. I think it is also fair as the competition is so high (for e:g Kishan and Pant)

From what I can see, I see a huge middle muddle taking place with Shreyas, Samson, Pandey and an ever lurking SKY, Kishan and Pant. I think only one of Agarwal and Dhawan will go and it seems like Dhawan has once again managed to do enough.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Just noticed that India did not even manage 250 in either of their innings in the tour match and the batting line-up was very much the one we would be playing in our first Test with inclusion of Kohli and Mayank and maybe KL Rahul. And also we faced their 3rd tier bowling line-up which had no one apart from James Pattinson & Jackson Bird to have represented Australia amongst the pacers. Although I don't know what Cameron Green would have to offer in the first Test if he goes on to play because facing a tall bowler who bowls quick is one of the weakness of our batting line-up and we have already seen that in New Zealand playing against Kyle Jamieson. I am not really much worried about the bowling line-up since we would somehow manage to do well in that department. Short bowling is going to be a big problem for the Indian batsman to face. And also our first Test is meant to be a D/N Test so there would be enough movement on offer. Hope our batsman somehow manage to score well.

Since both Gill and Shaw have failed to impress at the top of the order I think it would be KL Rahul to open for India. Personally I see no change in his batting from the last time he toured Australia. I get a feeling this is going to be a repeat of 2018-19 tour for him. Hope that isn't the case.

 

[abhi_jacko]

Was watching the innings Shaw was playing right now in the second warmup. He scored a quick fire 40.. Hitting shot after shot, going after every wide delivery and playing well away from his body. Not even having any sighters. And then gets done in by a slightly quicker delivery that jagged back in at a bit of an awkward height. Gone in the 9th over

I wonder if this is the directive he has received on what kind of impact he is supposed to make. What do you guys think?

He should be asked to go hammer and tongs of he sees the opportunity? Or play a more circumspect innings if selected in Tests and see off the new ball - run making will get easier with the softer ball

 

[Bigby Wolf]

Was watching the innings Shaw was playing right now in the second warmup. He scored a quick fire 40.. Hitting shot after shot, going after every wide delivery and playing well away from his body. Not even having any sighters. And then gets done in by a slightly quicker delivery that jagged back in at a bit of an awkward height. Gone in the 9th over

I wonder if this is the directive he has received on what kind of impact he is supposed to make. What do you guys think?

He should be asked to go hammer and tongs of he sees the opportunity? Or play a more circumspect innings if selected in Tests and see off the new ball - run making will get easier with the softer ball

More than Shaw I am surprised by the way Gill has played so far.

Way too aggressive at the start which is unlike him.

 

[abhi_jacko]

Way too aggressive at the start which is unlike him.

Indeed. The bowling has been of poor quality too and wicket seems pretty flat. Still, playing away from the body and camping on the front foot is just going to put the guys in a bad habit before the first Test when they face a much more difficult attack

 

[Bevab]

More than Shaw I am surprised by the way Gill has played so far.

Way too aggressive at the start which is unlike him.

Gill is extremely aggressive in first-class cricket, this is pretty much an extreme version of how he plays. Same could be said for Shaw. I'm not too sure of how they would work with Mayank long-term, the latter is already aggressive himself. Pujara is really vital in this batting lineup now as the 'blocker' whilst the rest of the top five attack alongside him.

 

[abhi_jacko]

111/6 at tea