IPL Fixing.

[AbhishekS]

Nothing wrong? Wtf!! He has been proven guilty, and quite sure he accepted that he fixed the match. How is that not wrong? Does he have any evidence to support his statement?

He has not been proven guilty in court yet. The people who investigated say that he claimed that he was involved in fixing. But according to the Indian law, that doesn't prove him guilty. To be guilty, he has to accept that in court which he hasn't.

And FYI, Sreesanth did not fix a match, he was allegedly just involved in spot-fixing. When Pakistani cricketers involved in literally the same thing in international cricket get a 5 year ban, then why a life ban to a cricketer for doing so in club cricket where the charges aren't even completely proven yet.

I'm not saying that Sreesanth is not involved in spot-fixing, he may be, or may be not, but the punishment is harsh. One thing which troubles me is that there is no evidence against him available anywhere. If you have one, show me!

BCCI is trying very hard to show that we are extremely strict against corruption. All this is because the BCCI chief himself is in the radar and the BCCI somehow wants to make people feel that they follow 'zero-tolerance for corruption'.

The fact that Srinivasan headed the committee is itself a joke. Sreesanth's dad had blamed MS Dhoni for Sreesanth's downfall, so Srinivasan being strict towards Sreesanth was kind of expected.

Mr. Srinivasan should first be concerned about the betting and alleged fixing his son-in-law has done. Some bookies even claimed that even he himself was involved in betting, but BCCI has always tried to avoid those allegations.
The BCCI is lucky that the Indian media isn't concentrating much on these topics like before. Thanks to rapes, corruption, upcoming elections, etc. Had the media been lack of news, Srinivasan would have been under severe pressure by now.

My basic point is that if a punishment this harsh for spot-fixers (this punishment wasn't even in the BCCI or IPL laws), why not against some other topics.

Going by the confidential BCCI documents (yes, I have the confidential copies, thanks to Mr. Lalit Modi), if a team-owner involved in fixing or even betting, the team will be sacked with immediate effect. When it's proven that Gurunath Meiyappan was involved in betting and may be in fixing too, why is CSK still alive?
And how easily the person who was the owner of CSK (Mr. Meiyappan) is now being termed as a cricket enthusiast.
There are official documents (with signatures), videos and even common sense which proves that Meiyappan is the owner of CSK. Where does BCCI's policy of 'zero-tolerance for corruption' gone now?

 

[Aalay]

Sreesanth's dad had blamed MS Dhoni for Sreesanth's downfall, so Srinivasan being strict towards Sreesanth was kind of expected.

Whatever you said in your post until here is true but here comes the in between stupid comment. Sreesanth's dad also blamed Harbhajan but when it comes to DHONI, people gets a little too excited I guess. Sreesanth's mom even apologized couple of days after his dad made this comments saying it was just an angry reaction from an emotional father. However, your logic and imagination is brilliant.

Sreesanth's father apologises to Dhoni, Harbhajan - Hindustan Times

 

[AbhishekS]

Whatever you said in your post until here is true but here comes the in between stupid comment. Sreesanth's dad also blamed Harbhajan but when it comes to DHONI, people gets a little too excited I guess. Sreesanth's mom even apologized couple of days after his dad made this comments saying it was just an angry reaction from an emotional father. However, your logic and imagination is brilliant.

What else could one expect from an insecure fan who cannot take anything against the player!!

The fact that Sreesanth's dad blamed Dhoni at one point of time is enough to understand this outrage towards him. The apology is a result of external pressure, and one does not require rocket-science to realize that provided he has some basic common sense.

 

[zeustrojanstark]

I'm sorry but I didn't mean to offend anyone

But afaik people in Chennai are proud of their team.

Just incase you misunderstood
This talks about all the people in general.

We are proud of our team, we are proud of our state and we are proud of our own Madras aka Chennai. After all we are not the Rape Capital of India.

 

[Aalay]

What else could one expect from an insecure fan who cannot take anything against the player!!

The fact that Sreesanth's dad blamed Dhoni at one point of time is enough to understand this outrage towards him. The apology is a result of external pressure, and one does not require rocket-science to realize that provided he has some basic common sense.

hah I can hear you all day mate if you give me facts but if you give me ---- like this than I have to adopt your defensive tactics. He blamed Harbhaajan because of the slap gate and than he blamed Dhoni because Sreesanth was never picked after that disaster England tour.

 

[SaiSrini]

Crappy verdict! When did IPL become such serious cricket that you ban a cricketer for life from all forms of cricket? This is just an eyewash tactic from the BCCI to show that they are doing something about it. Sreesanth is totally within his right to fight it out in court. Even if he is guilty of spot fixing, he should fight the life ban.

All those guys should in fact fight it. BCCI just can't pull the plug on their careers like this to show people that they are 'trying to do something'. And also, the govt should also push further to bring BCCI under the RTI act (Right to Information). If they don't, strip the BCCI of the "India" tag. And once the BCCI come under the RTI, they will be facing a whole lot of troubles (new and old).

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Going by the confidential BCCI documents (yes, I have the confidential copies, thanks to Mr. Lalit Modi), if a team-owner involved in fixing or even betting, the team will be sacked with immediate effect. When it's proven that Gurunath Meiyappan was involved in betting and may be in fixing too, why is CSK still alive?
And how easily the person who was the owner of CSK (Mr. Meiyappan) is now being termed as a cricket enthusiast.
There are official documents (with signatures), videos and even common sense which proves that Meiyappan is the owner of CSK. Where does BCCI's policy of 'zero-tolerance for corruption' gone now?

Take the owner out and purge the franchise. But the city and its fans should not be punished for it. If Meiyappan is found guilty under the law (there is no hard evidence!), throw India Cements out and have a new group take over Chennai.

 

[abhi_jacko]

^^ I agree with most of the things you say, except for the first couple of lines. I think if found guilty for either match fixing or spot fixing or any fixing, life ban is the way to go

IPL may not be serious cricket and may not have a lot of favor amongst us cricket purists, but at the end of the day it is cricket of some form. If these players are picking money over cricket, then they are bringing the game of cricket to disrepute. And IPL pays these guys really well - so it is just pure GREED and lack of respect for the game that would push a player to do something like this.

In this case, do we really want such filthy players playing domestic cricket and trying out for the national team later on ? Definitely NOT They should take their greed and use it in some other field

 

[zeustrojanstark]

I still feel BCCI have done this just for some eye wash. Trivedi and Harmeet were charged for the same mistake but Harmeet was left off saying there is no evidence but Trivedi is banned for a year. There is some internal politics over this ban for sure.

If CSK has to be banned because of Meiyappan, why not RR? From what Mr. Yudi says RR must be banned too.

 

[Ohm]

If CSK has to be banned because of Meiyappan, why not RR?

Who the hell will ban CSK? Meiyappan was with team only for things related beting,etc.(No one in that team wasn't known about his activities like Siddarth Trivedi was known about some fixing issues/betting issues) Shrinivasan is the owner of CSK and he didn't anything wrong so CSK shouldn't be banned because of Meiyappan. But if there is a team in IPL named 'Chennai Super Son In Law' then that team should be destroyed, but there is no team like that

 

[vaibhavtewatia]

We are proud of our team, we are proud of our state and we are proud of our own Madras aka Chennai. After all we are not the Rape Capital of India.

See, you probably misunderstood me. What I meant was that Chennai/any other team for that matter will start winning and eventually we forget all this. Nothing against you guys, never!

He has not been proven guilty in court yet. The people who investigated say that he claimed that he was involved in fixing. But according to the Indian law, that doesn't prove him guilty.

The same Indian law lifted the life ban on Azhar. Our law has been lenient against match/spot fixing, its only the board which is actually taking some steps ( though only to be challenged in the court ). Have a look at this : Lack of a law saved Mohd Azharuddin, Ajay Jadeja - The Times of India Don't think if anybody would differ that the law needs some serious amendments related to crime in sports.

To be guilty, he has to accept that in court which he hasn't.

If he doesn't and deviates from his previous statements to Delhi Police, it may make his case even worse.

"Sreesanth has confessed to spot-fixing. He was teary eyed during interrogation," a Delhi Police official said.

And FYI, Sreesanth did not fix a match, he was allegedly just involved in spot-fixing. When Pakistani cricketers involved in literally the same thing in international cricket get a 5 year ban, then why a life ban to a cricketer for doing so in club cricket where the charges aren't even completely proven yet.

At this stage you may call so because he was playing in the IPL for RR. What if the guy was playing for India? For his national team?
And FYI, the Pakistani guy who was handed the 5 year ban was an uneducated teenager. And here we have this guy with all these annoying habits.
Not sure why you would want to compare what different boards would do regarding this matter, but since we are it, Bangladesh batsman Mohammed Ashraful was banned for indefinite period due to his alleged involvement in spot fixing. Mind you, he has been one fine batsman for them at a time when Bangladesh cricket was growing.

I'm not saying that Sreesanth is not involved in spot-fixing, he may be, or may be not, but the punishment is harsh. One thing which troubles me is that there is no evidence against him available anywhere. If you have one, show me!

As noted above, and that we have been over 10 years since the Azharuddin scandal, policemen are not stupid that they will make baseless claims. The white towel used as a sign was certainly not made up, what Trivedi and co. have been telling is not made up, there are more, just not officially revealed by the police. Quite sure these guys will take the matter to the court, though I still fear the lack of evidence, as people call it , may just be the saving grace for them.

BCCI is trying very hard to show that we are extremely strict against corruption. All this is because the BCCI chief himself is in the radar and the BCCI somehow wants to make people feel that they follow 'zero-tolerance for corruption'.

Unless the charges are upheld by the BCCI themselves, I would say they have just taken a step forward.

The fact that Srinivasan headed the committee is itself a joke. Sreesanth's dad had blamed MS Dhoni for Sreesanth's downfall, so Srinivasan being strict towards Sreesanth was kind of expected.

That indeed is a joke.
But seriously? Blaming someone is just out of frustration. The only thing I may think of why, is because he was dropped from the team. Well , excuse me, what spectacular thing did he do to retain his place?

Mr. Srinivasan should first be concerned about the betting and alleged fixing his son-in-law has done. Some bookies even claimed that even he himself was involved in betting, but BCCI has always tried to avoid those allegations.
The BCCI is lucky that the Indian media isn't concentrating much on these topics like before. Thanks to rapes, corruption, upcoming elections, etc. Had the media been lack of news, Srinivasan would have been under severe pressure by now.

My basic point is that if a punishment this harsh for spot-fixers (this punishment wasn't even in the BCCI or IPL laws), why not against some other topics.

Going by the confidential BCCI documents (yes, I have the confidential copies, thanks to Mr. Lalit Modi), if a team-owner involved in fixing or even betting, the team will be sacked with immediate effect. When it's proven that Gurunath Meiyappan was involved in betting and may be in fixing too, why is CSK still alive?
And how easily the person who was the owner of CSK (Mr. Meiyappan) is now being termed as a cricket enthusiast.
There are official documents (with signatures), videos and even common sense which proves that Meiyappan is the owner of CSK. Where does BCCI's policy of 'zero-tolerance for corruption' gone now?

Completely agree with your points here.

We can discuss about the punishments all day, and what kind of people deserve what. But it is such a shame that you are defending Sreesanth by saying that its just spot fixing.... You get paid by the teams who pick you, this is simply a betrayal!

Thanks to our laws, the evidences that may be produced might not just be enough in the court of law. But we still don't know.
This has been a very disgusting act from Sree and co., though I do feel sorry for Trivedi.

When you earn your living by doing something, better abide by its laws too, if you cheat, you're an arse, and Sree is. No defending him.. sorry!

 

[zeustrojanstark]

Who the hell will ban CSK? Meiyappan was with team only for things related beting,etc.(No one in that team wasn't known about his activities like Siddarth Trivedi was known about some fixing issues/betting issues) Shrinivasan is the owner of CSK and he didn't anything wrong so CSK shouldn't be banned because of Meiyappan. But if there is a team in IPL named 'Chennai Super Son In Law' then that team should be destroyed, but there is no team like that

Obviously i dont want any team to be banned. That message was pointed to one person here who never opened his mouth about Raj Kundra and Royals but bad mouths continueously about Meiyappan and Chennai.

If the owners are at fault, their ownership must be terminated. I am 100% sure there will be many industries who will want to own the Chennai franchise. Banning CSK is never going to happen. But being from North, its very obvious that Mr. Yudi will always and at any cost bad mouth about Tamil Nadu. He has been doing that always.

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See, you probably misunderstood me. What I meant was that Chennai/any other team for that matter will start winning and eventually we forget all this. Nothing against you guys, never!

Fine. Now what you said looks correct. But in your previous message you only mentioned Chennai fans. That cannot be justified at any cost. It looked like you had teamed up with Mr. Yudi to create some regional politics as he does always.

 

[Ohm]

Seriously, I'm not a fan of CSK and also not a fan of RR. I don't live near those both respective states. I have my own favourite team in IPL other than those two, but I never thought bad for CSK and RR. If there are wrong things happening in them then I'll hope for a punishment for them.

@MG, I don't know why 'Yudi' wants punishment for CSK and don't for RR. He may be the resident of Sri Lanka then. In IPL-6 Sri Lankans were banned to enter in Chennai. So that he may thinking about that.

Guys, Read the thread title again and continue discussing

 

[AbhishekS]

Who the hell will ban CSK? Meiyappan was with team only for things related beting,etc.(No one in that team wasn't known about his activities like Siddarth Trivedi was known about some fixing issues/betting issues) Shrinivasan is the owner of CSK and he didn't anything wrong so CSK shouldn't be banned because of Meiyappan.

LOL! I feel sorry for myself that I'm discussing this topic with you. You have no knowledge about all this, kid.
Meiyappan was the owner of CSK. Only after he accepted to betting, did CSK start saying he is not the owner. So going by the laws, CSK has to be banned because the owner was involved in betting. Period.

If he doesn't and deviates from his previous statements to Delhi Police, it may make his case even worse.

No chance. Confessions in front of police have zero value according to the Indian law. If he a convict hasn't accepted the crime in a court, he is not guilty! That is what Indian law says. So going by this, Sreesanth is not guilty yet.

Again I would like to say that I'm not defending Sreesanth, neither am I saying that he is innocent. But a life ban against a player with no proper proof (yes, not a single proper proof) is not fair at all.

And FYI, the Pakistani guy who was handed the 5 year ban was an uneducated teenager. And here we have this guy with all these annoying habits.

Age, habits, etc. shouldn't be considered while deciding on such stuff. The final decisions have to be purely on the law.

The white towel used as a sign was certainly not made up, what Trivedi and co. have been telling is not made up, there are more, just not officially revealed by the police. Quite sure these guys will take the matter to the court, though I still fear the lack of evidence, as people call it , may just be the saving grace for them.

If they are not revealed, they aren't valid proofs. So I say the same thing again, you cannot give a ban for life without a single valid proof.

@MG, I don't know why 'Yudi' wants punishment for CSK and don't for RR. He may be the resident of Sri Lanka then. In IPL-6 Sri Lankans were banned to enter in Chennai. So that he may thinking about that.

I never said that I want a ban only on CSK and not RR. If Raj Kundra is involved in fixing too, even RR should be banned.

Take the owner out and purge the franchise. But the city and its fans should not be punished for it. If Meiyappan is found guilty under the law (there is no hard evidence!), throw India Cements out and have a new group take over Chennai.

Exactly my point!
I have nothing against Chennai, but against the CSK franchise. Now that it's proven that Meiyappan was involved in fixing and Meiyappan indeed was the owner of CSK, the franchise has to be banned.
The BCCI is just covering it up and compensating by giving harsh punishments to players. Life ban is stupid, especially when nothing is proved. A year's ban on Siddharth Trivedi is illogical too.

 

[zeustrojanstark]

Remove the ownership and put up the team for sale is different from banning the franchise. I hope Mr. Abhishek Sharma understands this basic thing.

 

[Ohm]

LOL! I feel sorry for myself that I'm discussing this topic with you. You have no knowledge about all this, kid.
Meiyappan was the owner of CSK. Only after he accepted to betting, did CSK start saying he is not the owner. So going by the laws, CSK has to be banned because the owner was involved in betting. Period.

Listen baby, Meiyappan is not owner of Chennai Super Kings. The owner of India Cement (Don't know exact name of company) Srinivasan is owner of Chennai Super Kings. Meiyappan is son in law of Srinivasan not onwer of Chennai Super Kings. Go and get confirmed yourself. If CSK hasn't said Meiyappan is not owner of CSK then they never has announced officially that Meiyappan is owner of CSK.

Simple logic.

1. CSK owner is a Cement company.
2. Srinivasan is owner of that company.
3. Meiyappan is son in law of Srinivasan.
4. Meiyappan was involved in betting but Srinivasan wasn't.

If you don't know who is what then stop changing owners by yourself. And this thread is for another discussion. If you want to start discussion about CSK ban then start new thread for that. Now shut up and go away from here.