Highlander999
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True on the cheating ill give you that.
But we certainly do not bottle it.
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And you sound like a typical troll:
No.
I just form opinions.
Bopara,Shah,Cook,Wright,Broad are all current England players i admire and rate as World Class Talents.
Highlander999
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I highly doubt that, most England fans haven't watched every match the whole way through over the past 3 years
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Trolls have opinions
And since when has something like this, been a reasonable opinion with about as much evidence to back it up as brains you have in that vacant skull of yours
Leicester Fox
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lmao can't you just ban this gayer.
Anyway terrible but that's England. We had more than enough chances to win but we politely declined in our English way. If that was Pakistan it'd be called match fixing
Anyway terrible but that's England. We had more than enough chances to win but we politely declined in our English way. If that was Pakistan it'd be called match fixing
The two captains have agreed to move on. I think it's time people do here too.
I show a lot of admiration for Colly and Vettori in doing that, some ugly scenes, but everyone acted like professionals and they have moved on.
A fantastic game of Cricket. New Zealand deserved the victory. Better side, just. I have been firmly convinced that Mustard must come into the side for the Saffer ODI series. Put Wright in at 7 to give some power at the end. Ambrose doesn't fit into the side. You can have two different captains, you can have two different keepers. Not problem in them trying Ambrose in ODIs, but it hasn't worked.
Now I need to go and put some plasters on my fingers, I've lost about 8 fingers. I love days like today, my side lost, on the last ball! Yet I can still raise a smile. Yes, the run-out was unsavoury, but Cricket was the winner today. Showing all sides of the game. Finished with a handshake between the captains.
Vettori and Colly should be applauded for how they ended it.
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You can never convince a Yorkshireman he's not good enough
I show a lot of admiration for Colly and Vettori in doing that, some ugly scenes, but everyone acted like professionals and they have moved on.
A fantastic game of Cricket. New Zealand deserved the victory. Better side, just. I have been firmly convinced that Mustard must come into the side for the Saffer ODI series. Put Wright in at 7 to give some power at the end. Ambrose doesn't fit into the side. You can have two different captains, you can have two different keepers. Not problem in them trying Ambrose in ODIs, but it hasn't worked.
Now I need to go and put some plasters on my fingers, I've lost about 8 fingers. I love days like today, my side lost, on the last ball! Yet I can still raise a smile. Yes, the run-out was unsavoury, but Cricket was the winner today. Showing all sides of the game. Finished with a handshake between the captains.
Vettori and Colly should be applauded for how they ended it.
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You can never convince a Yorkshireman he's not good enough
I'm going to hold back on this a bit. Because the captains seem to have worked it all out and stuff. But even so, what was Collingwood thinking? He's a disgrace to be brutally honest. That wasn't in the spirit of the game at all. Sidebottom is a fair player, in no way did he try take Elliot out. I think it was just a collision where Elliot was trying to run out of his way and Sidebottom was just tying to get the ball. Sidebottom isn't a poor sport at all. Collingwood is a disgrace. A few overs previously he threw a ball at his own teammate also. That's disgusting if you ask me. Anderson was obviously hurt and he was laughing at him. I wouldn't want to play with that guy as my captain.
There's been comments about the Murili incident. That's a totally different situation. Murli was careless. The ball was literally just being thrown back to the keeper when he left his crease. How is that not in the spirit of cricket? You can't just wander down the pitch when the ball is still live. I argue at the time it happened and i'll continue it now. The ball was still being fielded and returned. There's no comparison to a player being taken out while running and injured and then being run-out.
Justice was served with the win and I hope we win the series now. Both sides were pretty terrible with the bat to be honest. 90% of the wickets at least were disgusting shots or run-outs. It was a good game, I mean, last ball win. England got the bonus 7 runs from the no-ball and following six plus got away with a handful of wides over the batsman's head
I'm just happy we won that game, otherwise you'd all be hearing about it from me and it'd be an even bigger deal.
There's been comments about the Murili incident. That's a totally different situation. Murli was careless. The ball was literally just being thrown back to the keeper when he left his crease. How is that not in the spirit of cricket? You can't just wander down the pitch when the ball is still live. I argue at the time it happened and i'll continue it now. The ball was still being fielded and returned. There's no comparison to a player being taken out while running and injured and then being run-out.
Justice was served with the win and I hope we win the series now. Both sides were pretty terrible with the bat to be honest. 90% of the wickets at least were disgusting shots or run-outs. It was a good game, I mean, last ball win. England got the bonus 7 runs from the no-ball and following six plus got away with a handful of wides over the batsman's head
I'm just happy we won that game, otherwise you'd all be hearing about it from me and it'd be an even bigger deal.
What a game that was, I stayed up to 6.30 this morning to watch this game lol and very tired right at this moment. I think we just have to move on from that Elliot run out, theres no point about going on about it New Zealand won and thats all that matters. England really blew that game though how do you drop a player three times, although that Broad chance was hard. What was Ross Taylor thinking, he played a horrible shot. He has to learn how to build an innings. I agree with most English supporters here that Mustard must come back in, Ambrose just isn't a ODI batsmen. Wright must also come back down to seven, he doesn't look very good up the order. Maybe they should give Wright a couple of years down at seven like McCullum did. And look how well he has been going.
Every player in the game basically was playing terrible shots. It was bad to watch from that point of view. No one wanted to stay in and make runs. Was a good pitch. Our performance was terrible, but we deserved to win. I'm not happy though. We have to play better in this last game. I also don't wanna see tied series after we were denied victory in the 3rd game.
England rather threw the game away last night - literally. I have to question Collingwood's captaincy, seven balls to go and four needed so he lets the better batsman not only have an easy single but strike to go with it in the final over! And when you have a safe draw you make sure of it, not gamble it on a slight chance of a win (shy at the stumps) with the risk of losing (overthrows) Now we're 2-1 down and one to play, nice one Collingwood!
As for the run out, it wasn't 'cheating' or the umpires wouldn't have offered Collingwood the choice of withdrawing his appeal. However he is a plank for not taking the hint that that was the 'done thing'. England and New Zealand took it in turns to try and give the game to the other, how many chances did England drop? And why did England throw so many of their wickets away as usual?
If you look at the pinch-hitter role, England have tried Wright, Prior, Loye and Mustard in it and none has averaged more than low 20s. England really don't have a clue, they should put more solid batsmen at the top of the order and have the likes of Wright, Prior and Mustard down the order for late hitting. You don't just want to score fast early on, you need to in the last ten overs. And the difference is you want to conserve wickets to have that late onslaught, not lose early wickets and have to consolidate in order to have a dart late on. Despite the obsession with quick runs, totals are still falling in the same brackets of 240-300 most of the time.......................
As for the run out, it wasn't 'cheating' or the umpires wouldn't have offered Collingwood the choice of withdrawing his appeal. However he is a plank for not taking the hint that that was the 'done thing'. England and New Zealand took it in turns to try and give the game to the other, how many chances did England drop? And why did England throw so many of their wickets away as usual?
If you look at the pinch-hitter role, England have tried Wright, Prior, Loye and Mustard in it and none has averaged more than low 20s. England really don't have a clue, they should put more solid batsmen at the top of the order and have the likes of Wright, Prior and Mustard down the order for late hitting. You don't just want to score fast early on, you need to in the last ten overs. And the difference is you want to conserve wickets to have that late onslaught, not lose early wickets and have to consolidate in order to have a dart late on. Despite the obsession with quick runs, totals are still falling in the same brackets of 240-300 most of the time.......................
I said it before the series and i'll say it again now. Mustard being dropped for Ambrose was a huge mistake. From the evidence i've seen, Mustard is no worse a keeper than Ambrose. Mustard is a much better ODI batsman. England need more hitting in the power plays. May take some of the pressure off Pietersen at 3 too.
BigCrickNan
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Didn't Pollock trip KP (Almost looking deliberate) at the Twenty20 world cup? And he would of made his ground. This is a similar incident so shouldn't it be looked at in the same way?
Colly looking for a 4 match ban now for slow over rate, how can you bowl an over in 4 minutes if there is a conversation between the batsman every ball
England should of tied, poor at the end, must get back to 2-2 or this will be a disaster after the start to the series and the game at Bristol.
Colly looking for a 4 match ban now for slow over rate, how can you bowl an over in 4 minutes if there is a conversation between the batsman every ball
England should of tied, poor at the end, must get back to 2-2 or this will be a disaster after the start to the series and the game at Bristol.
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Shut up irrotev, seriously. New Zealand ran out a guy who was clearly celebrating a fantastic innings from a good friend of his, you don't see people running out a centurion if they come out of their ground to celebrate, so why's it OK to run out the non striker?. Collingwood did nothing that was against the rules, the rules state that if there is serious injury then a dead ball should be called and the batsman called back. Elliot wasn't seriously injured, he got back up and attempted to make his ground, if he had stayed down then England wouldn't have appealed. The fact that he ran all the way down the pitch, after going down makes it perfectly reasonable to appeal, as the lad didn't appear injured. I don't agree with it, but international sport's a harsh game, you sometimes have to do things that you don't see as right to win the game.
Collingwood was within his rights to appeal, therefore he has done nothing wrong. It may have been harsh and unsporting, but not illegal in the rules of the game. Pollock certainly didn't get a match ban when he did the same to Pietersen, so why here. The incident has been sorted between the 2 captains, so just leave it.
Also, I cannot believe that you tried to make out that Collingwood was to blame for accidentally throwing the ball at Anderson. It was clearly an accident, and almost everyone on the pitch was laughing, except James Anderson. It's the same when a player gets a blow to the private parts, everyone laughs, apart from the batsman/fielder.
Collingwood was within his rights to appeal, therefore he has done nothing wrong. It may have been harsh and unsporting, but not illegal in the rules of the game. Pollock certainly didn't get a match ban when he did the same to Pietersen, so why here. The incident has been sorted between the 2 captains, so just leave it.
Also, I cannot believe that you tried to make out that Collingwood was to blame for accidentally throwing the ball at Anderson. It was clearly an accident, and almost everyone on the pitch was laughing, except James Anderson. It's the same when a player gets a blow to the private parts, everyone laughs, apart from the batsman/fielder.
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