New Zealand Tour of India, November 2010/11

[ZoraxDoom]

I like you Z, and I generally agree with your opinions, but with due respect, Ravindra Jadeja is ████. If he's our best all-rounder, then we should accept the fact that we don't have an international class allrounder and pick the extra batsman. As far as WC is concerned, we can get away with Raina/Yuvraj/Sehwag delivering 10 overs of part-time spin in subcontinental tracks.

The problem is that what we've seen of Jadeja in international cricket is not the best that he can be.

He's shown in Ranji cricket, his first season of IPL, and his early days in the ODI side that his bowling is actually very good. He's good quite good control and can vary his flight and pace, gets a bit of turn. I'd actually say he's only marginally worse than Ojha, Mishra or Ashwin. And he's the youngest of the lot. With more time and FC cricket, and a good captain/coach who knows how to use spinners, he can be developed into a very useful bowler. He's got all the raw ingredients. He even bowls a good armball. He needs time and experience.

His batting will never be good enough to be in India's Top 6 in Test Cricket or ODIs, and he isn't a natural lower order hitter. So either he works on his big hitting ability, or we play him in the top order despite having better choices.

He's proved in his international and domestic career so far that he has the temperment and ability to play big innings and work the ball around. In domestic cricket and in the IPL he's was and is used as a top order batsman around whom the innings is built.

The latter is always going to be an issue with Jadeja. Fitting him in the side will be hard.

And the problem with his bowling arose because a) He was picked for the World T20 with no cricket behind him and b) He was persisted with despite being out of form.

Naturally he got a lot of stick in the World T20, due to being out of practice, and that affected his confidence. Repeatedly playing him meant his confidence and form kept falling, and his bowling became flat and ineffective and predictable, to complete garbage.

Very much like what is happening to Johnson.

It doesn't mean Jadeja isn't talented. He is still our best allrounder prospect, or atleast one of the best. He just shouldn't be anywhere near the side now. Needs more time in domestic cricket to get back to his old form.


For this WC, if Irfan is fit and in form, he should be picked. If not, we can go in with Harbhajan, 3 seamers (without Ishant, please), Dhoni and 6 batsmen. Yuvi, Raina, Viru offering part time spin.

 

[used2bcool]

^ Now that's more like the Z I know.

You're right in that he has shown signs of having the tools to succeed, but I think the finished product is still a few years away. I don't much rate his batting or his temperament to play an important innings - I keep remembering the ODI against Australia when Tendulkar got his 175 and we had a run-a-ball to get with Jadeja looking good on 19*. Then Sachin lost his wicket and Jadeja just lost the plot. He ran after hitting the ball straight to Ricky Ponting of all people and promptly got run out. We went on to lost the match and I think that was when I lost confidence in Ravindra Jadeja.

At the moment, he's just too much of a bit player. Reminds me of the Duncan Fletcher philosophy - "bat a bit, bowl a bit." Problem is bit players are not much good at either. Remember Jaime Dalrymple? Good thing for Jadeja is that he's got time on his side and has the scope to improve. I fell he'd do well to concentrate on his bowling alone because he hasn't shown that he could be any better than a number 8 at international level. I get the feeling that R Ashwin is going to be our ODI spinner of the future, so that basically leaves Jadeja fighting for the scraps with Pragyan Ojha.

Maybe Jadeja needs to work on his skills - but I think in that time, he needs to be far away from the national team.

 

[icyman]

Jadeja is neither here not there. He can't bat for nuts in and his bowling is pathetic. He represents the crop of U-19, the likes of C Pujara, V Kohli, M Pandey,etc. While the others have applied themselves well in the limited chances that they have got, Jadeja just doesn't seem to be able to do so.
Neeraj above, has given an excellent example of Jadeja not being able to maintain his composure in a high pressure situation. His bowling-we have seen that he was smashed for 36 in six deliveries in the World T20 in the Caribbean.

India has always lacked a good allrounder. Yuvraj and Raina are capable of being the good ones, but their bowling is a spot of bother. For the World Cup though, I would very much like to see Irfan in the side. But that looks tough seeing as he may not be picked for the RSA series, which happens to be our last ODI engagement prior to the cup.

 

[CG123]

Lol at our tail, we have Vettori batting at six, in ODIs...

 

[ferg512]

What the heck is with India's sweaters? It looks real weird with a collar.

 

[Chewie]

Lol at our tail, we have Vettori batting at six, in ODIs...

Yes but we do bat right down to 11

 

[Slowcoach]

Batting down to 11? It's quality, not quantity, a string of quickfire 12's is not going to win you the game, nor is McCullum's 10 overs of non spinning offspin for 50 runs.
Stupid shot by Taylor, pulling out the big robotic slog sweep to the first ball of someone's spell is just plain dumb, have a look for one ball at least, stupid schoolboy stuff and these are supposed to be international cricketers?
If Taylor was a Tekken character he would have one move, the big slog sweep, he is crap, and hitting the ball hard and coming off sometimes does not equal talent, no matter how much his average of 40 suggests.
Some people have high averages because they have power or score fast and cash in then they get in, but in between they fail a lot, and Taylor is one.
Yeah, you look talented when your high risk game comes off, but really, you are just lucky, pulling a flukey innings out of your butt sometimes while batting like an idiot does not equal talent, take a look at Ashrafool.
Though Taylor is a little better than that, but only just.

 

[Chewie]

oops didn't see McKay was playing. Batting down low and getting those quickfire 12s or so are useful when your top order can build an innings, but for us, I agree it's not too useful.

Taylor really seems to have a problem. He gets out to that shot way too often. He needs to learn but never seems to

 

[used2bcool]

Ah, yes. The masterstroke of bringing on a piechucker has claimed yet another victim. The dropped chance hasn't hurt too much, and Taylor can always be dangerous, even though he's inconsistent.

What bugs me is that Yusuf Pathan of all people gets a wicket. WTF, mate?

I love how we have developed a virtual army of piechuckers - Yuvraj, Pathan, Raina, Jadeja when he plays, and Sehwag to an extent (though Sehwag can get it to turn big sometimes) - similar to the NZ dibbly-dobblies.

 

[angryangy]

A good comeback by NZ, pity about the start.

 

[AkshayS]

Vijay gone but Gambhir is on fire. he is playing beautifully but Vijay never looked in comfort.

Kohli in.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

This match so far looks one sided with Yuvrajj back in form,Kohli in form. Raina in form and Gambhir playing beautifully.

Just wished Saha should have been promoted, he could have got some time in middle!!

 

[relentless_rock]

This match so far looks one sided with Yuvrajj back in form,Kohli in form. Raina in form and Gambhir playing beautifully.

Just wished Saha should have been promoted, he could have got some time in middle!!

If Kohli departs, better off to promote Yusuf Pathan and see if his temperament has improved at all or not.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

We do not want a change of temperament from Pathan!!

He is a bang bang player just like Pollard.

Saha should be given more opportunities

 

[Meet]

India FTW with these 2 going really well