Overrated cricketers

[puddleduck]

Oh dear. How dare a spin bowler adjust his game from wicket taking threat to containing relief bowler depending on the conditions.

In those series against Australia, no spinner got any luck so his role was to keep it tight whilst the seamers rotated. Then when we got to a 5th day pitch and needed someone to bowl them out, Swann stepped up to the plate. Basically, something Bhaji has never done well. If he's not playing as a strike bowler, he sulks and gives up haha

Amazing how many Indian fans seem to really dislike Swann because he doesn't like ODI cricket. Must be something they take personally that the current top ranked spinner in cricket is English

Edit: While you're being a muppet, can you look up his economy rates in the series he didn't average under 30. I would hazard a guess they were below nearly every other bowler in the England team.

 

[Rohit Doshi]

His economy rate is 3 against Australia and around 3.3 against India and South Africa. That economy rate does not show he has contained the batsman? Has he?

Anderson's economy rate is 3.4 vs Australia, 2.9 vs India & 3.6 vs South Africa but ya he sucks outside England which his average shows, a whopping 39. For a shocker he only averaged less then 30 against one opposition and that is India well done buddy

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For a matter of fact, I am more deeply turned into seeing how English attack is outside England. May be the whole English attack outside England is overrated (expects all the thrashing from various people )

Stuart Broad averages 40 too, against Australia 81,India - 67, South Africa - 34, New Zealand - 32, Sri Lanka - 95 etc.

Well obviously you can argue he has just played 20 odd matches(half of his total) away and bound to average like this, but come on, you are a brilliant bowler

 

[puddleduck]

Eh? It certainly doesn't show batsman have gotten after him though does it?

Difficult to judge the English attack fully at the moment, as the last 2 years they have really hit their strides, so statistics unsurprisingly reference more of their introductory stats. Next couple of away tours will be very important.

England can not afford to do what they did in 2005 and follow up a sucessful year of cricket with a really poor one.

 

[Rohit Doshi]

That is what, rating the current England team on few home and few away their oriented condition games is not enough. They really need to play like champions which Australia did for 5-6 odd years and India did for 3 years. They need to maintain the No 1 ranking to prove they are not over rated

 

[barmyarmy]

It must be quite a dilemma being an Indian fan atm. One the one hand you're convinced that the entire England team are over-rated and on the other you're struggling to explain how such a team could whitewash you...

 

[Rohit Doshi]

Yes, we were outplayed, we were definitely under prepared, we really took them lightly at start, we played with injuries, but yes you were a better team, show me one post of mine(you being admin can really ) were I have stated that India were better team in England and yet England won?

You are here as admin, I am here as member 2012 is not the end of the world, they have an Indian tour, god forbid if your team has to play with all the above reasons, lets see how they fight back!

If you see I had always supported England and India (My Profile), but some fans who act as if they are true fans have really disappointed. If you are a fan or follower of a country then support it having a good conversation rather then trolling around

 

[puddleduck]

Thing is, who exactly did Australia beat when they dominated the world? An often poor travelling India? An erratic and mentally fragile South Africa? An inconsistent, often undercooked, poorly prepared, and injury blighted England? A maverick Sri Lanka? A terrible West Indies?

It's easy to claim rankings and stats don't matter when you want them to and bottom line, at the moment England have done enough to be number 1 team in Test Cricket and Swann has performed consistently enough to be the top ranked spinner in that time.

Does that fact that 73% of McGraths wickets were Michael Atherton mean he wasn't one of the best new ball bowlers of all time? Of course not. Does the fact that Warne struggled in India detract from his numbers? Does the fact that Murali got to bowl for 450 overs in each test match take away from his wickets?

As things stand, Swann has had a very good return to international cricket. If he carries on for another 3-5 years he'll have been one of England's most successful spin bowlers ever. If he peters out, he'll still have had a good few years.

So, as I said, over rated by some English fans? Yes, of course. He's amusing, interesting and charismatic and has performed well, of course he will be. At the moment he just about justifies the various hyperbole that is used to describe him, but it will only take a bad year or two with no recovery to demonstrate that he was over rated. Likewise, though, another 3 years at his recent levels, and he'll have, if anything, been underrated!

 

[teamindia]

It must be quite a dilemma being an Indian fan atm. One the one hand you're convinced that the entire England team are over-rated and on the other you're struggling to explain how such a team could whitewash you...

No one is struggling for an explanation. Players were mentally and physically unfit. Revenge was served hot just in case you forgot.

 

[BKB1991]

Lol at Indian fans still bitter about the England series.

Swann isnt over rated, hes easily the in the top two off spinners in the world. No one is saying hes a Warne.

Sehwag, never really a fan of him, mostly a flat track bully for me, but again thats where hes rated.

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I am not sure about Anderson tho. Hes been brilliant in England but havent seen him outside England doing too well. Didnt watch the Ashes so I cant base my opinion properly but the series against Pakistan should be the one that should clarify if hes just as good in England as outside it.

 

[puddleduck]

No one is struggling for an explanation. Players were mentally and physically unfit. Revenge was served hot just in case you forgot.

I believe the appetiser was indeed served warm. Dessert was cold, but then, who ever really cares about dessert? Especially when the bleedin' main course still hasn't arrived yet

 

[barmyarmy]

Does that fact that 73% of McGraths wickets were Michael Atherton mean he wasn't one of the best new ball bowlers of all time?

McGrath got Atherton out 411 times?

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No one is struggling for an explanation. Players were mentally and physically unfit. Revenge was served hot just in case you forgot.

Oh I must have missed the recent test series in India where England lost then.

 

[puddleduck]

McGrath got Atherton out 411 times?

Give or take a couple

Certainly felt like it at times haha

 

[teamindia]

McGrath got Atherton out 411 times?

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Oh I must have missed the recent test series in India where England lost then.

Aha I forgot Eng do not consider ODI as cricket. Anyway your wish will be granted next year. In the mean time they would be served hot meals in UAE and SL

 

[CG123]

oh, I have 3. taylor, ryder and and kane williamson.

they're not bad players, but when they emerged I think a lot of people got excited about a possible new dawn for kiwi cricket. 24 year olds that were test level! the reality is they'd be morgan or duminy if they played for better sides and would have been dropped (taylor might make it at 6 for some teams) and on the fringes of the side.

I'm not sure how in any right you can say that Kane Williamson is overrated. The guy's 21, and in the few matches that he's played in he's had some success. He made his test debut in India, and averaged 42 their. Yes they were absolute roads, but India is a tough place to make your debut, so that's definitely a pass. Next he played Pakistan, he made one 50 in four innings so that's limited success, but he only completely failed in one innings. He then scored a 68 and 49 in his only test against Zimbabwe, nothing wrong with that. Yes he just failed against Australia, but without looking at any stats I would assume that very few New Zealanders have succeed in their first test in Australia. I just struggle to see how a 21 year old can be overrated after only seven tests, when he's passed 50 three times in six tests against the eight main test playing nations.

I know a lot of people have been saying Taylor is overrated, but I'm just not sure on what grounds. He averages:

38 against Australia (was over 40 before the last test)
50 against England
46 against India
49 against Pakistan
40 against Sri Lanka (2 tests)
76 against Zimababwe (1 test)

So the only teams he's failed against are Bangladesh (26), South Africa (11), and West Indies (22), and they were all very small samples in only a couple of tests each.

Yes I know I was having a go at home after the last test against Australia, but when you've played over five teats against each of Australia, England, India, and Pakistan and you average what he does against each of them, I struggle to see how someone can be overrated.

Ryder I'd say is the most overrated out of the three, because he's only scored 100s against India on flat tracks. But I definitely wouldn't call him overrated.

 

[ferg512]

I'd agree that Warner is overrated, well at this point at least. Channel 9 can be really annoying in the way they hype up players, especially with Khawaja after he made a 30 last season.

McCullum is overrated, plain and simple. I still think Ryder is the best batsman in our side, its just about whether he cares at all to get some runs.