Pakistan vs England Jul-Aug-Sep 2010

[pcfan123]

tbf he has batted England out of a few tricky situations this summer, just don''t want him opening the bowling.

 

[Dare]

Pakistan now don't really have a strong point. It used to be their bowling but now they don't have anything. They did well to put up a a score they can defend but Afridi and Ajmal cant do it alone.

 

[pcfan123]

So true, once you take Asif and Aamer out, Pakistan are very shitt,

at least their batting clicked somewhat today

 

[angryangy]

To say Pakistan were bad is to over-estimate England's performance. Granted, England don't often manage to win in big run chases, but it did still come down to a massive innings from Strauss.

I very much doubt Asif would have rescued Pakistan. To expect such is to greatly exaggerate his exploits in limited overs. Amir is more likely, but still, it was a belter.

The weird thing is how England recently have had a couple of moments where even with someone making a hundred, the game wasn't as easy as it could have been. If Strauss had gotten a smaller century, there was potential for a real capitulation at the end. Nevertheless, a century is better than no century and it was the major difference between the two sides.

 

[SaiSrini]

England become No.2 in ODI rankings behind Australia. They have definitely been on a big rise in all forms of cricket in recent times. Kudos!

 

[pcfan123]

I very much doubt Asif would have rescued Pakistan. To expect such is to greatly exaggerate his exploits in limited overs. Amir is more likely, but still, it was a belter.

Fair enough but you have to admit that the Pakistani bowling lineup without Asif and Aamer (In any form) puts them in the bottom tier of pace attacks.

Gul has never really been a spearhead and the rest are not really worth mentioning much. They have gone from being one of the better pace bowling attacks to a mediocre one at best.

Such a shame really because AA could easily have played together for a number of years and perhaps reached comparisons to the WW partnership

 

[usmanjum]

well its not surprising .. everytime we hope that pakistan will do well ... this happens .. either someone get injured himself and sometime extraordinary happens like drug case or spot fixing case ..
and m very surprised by the selection of Wahab riaz he is been no where near his best and is selected for england series .. Tanvir Ahmed would have been better choice instead of Mohammad Irfan pakistan should have selected some consistent performer at domestic level like Samiullah Khan Niazi , Asad Ali and many others like Junaid Khan .. but unfortunately MR BUTT is a big butt so he isnt bother with performances i should take the name of ZULFIQAR babar who is has done so well in one day format in the last one domestic tournament and neva got selected for even A team .. this is embarrassing and shameful act .. he almost crowned his weakened team but lost in final only .. so its a time for pakistan Cricket Board to either Correct themselves and be Honest with there job or Change the entire Board or may be lose this world cup like we lost in 2003 and 2007.

 

[ZexyZahid]

WTF! you should have given it to Akhter.:
Some of Afridi's decisions in this game and in the past are plainly ridiculous and disgusting

That's exactly what I was thinking during the match. I saw on the scorecard that Shoaib Akhtar had two overs left and didn't understand why Afridi gave him the ball.

Gul bowled an over of 11 runs. I was thinking that over is finally over so the last two overs Shoaib Akhtar could bowl, but Afridi persisted with Gul. The following over Gul gave 9 runs and with that the match was lost. Even in the last over Afridi persisted with Gul. I don't understand really why.

This match was basically lost, because of Afridi's captaincy.

Razzaq really needs to come back. Either Gul or Mohammad Irfan needs to be replaced. I would replace Gul.

 

[pcfan123]

Have to say M Irfan looks like crap, he has a lot of work to do before he will threaten anyone at this level.

His bounce is nothing to write home about either.

 

[TumTum]

Totally agree Mark.

England are a really strong side (at home) these days, not only with Swann but I think their batting has been a big improvement. Trott is a boring player to watch but he has stopped England's habit of collapsing.

 

[khalek]

Simply LOL @ Afridi's comments about Irfan, this guy really should go back to the pipe factory, I don't know how he managed to pick up 43 wickets in Pakistan domestic season.

 

[Owzat]

To say Pakistan were bad is to over-estimate England's performance. Granted, England don't often manage to win in big run chases, but it did still come down to a massive innings from Strauss.

I very much doubt Asif would have rescued Pakistan. To expect such is to greatly exaggerate his exploits in limited overs. Amir is more likely, but still, it was a belter.

The weird thing is how England recently have had a couple of moments where even with someone making a hundred, the game wasn't as easy as it could have been. If Strauss had gotten a smaller century, there was potential for a real capitulation at the end. Nevertheless, a century is better than no century and it was the major difference between the two sides.

There were two decisions made in the match that went in England's favour, both involving the top scorer for both sides and arguably cost Pakistan. I don't want to fuel the 'everything goes against us' mentality that quite often comes with England opposition, but the LBW against Akmal looked like it was hitting just outside off stump and the catch to Akmal off Strauss when he was not even at 50 were both match defining decisions. Akmal could have set up an even bigger total for Pakistan, Strauss' innings was the key reason England chased the total down.

14.2
Umar Gul to Strauss, no run, 89.8 mph, what a take from Kamran Akmal! A massive deflection, Akmal dives full-stretch to his right, clings onto a blinder, but it's not given out! How it went in that direction without bat, we'll never know ...

Strauss was 38no at the time, someone else may have stepped up and played a match winning innings but I am not convinced (source : cricinfo) Cricinfo doesn't agree with my view that the LBW was hitting just outside off-stump, they do agree it was very close. The umpire as I recall took some time to give it, must have been enough doubt there. Either decision going in Pakistan's favour would doubtless have won the match for them, England would have needed another 88 runs from somewhere, while who knows what Pakistan would have totalled if Akmal had gone on much longer.


Still have too many doubts over the batting powerplays, seems captains/batting sides are frightened of the wicket potential. And again Yardy doesn't bowl his full 10 overs. His bowling average is now up to 41.08 and still half his wickets have come in just two matches with the other seven taken in 15 at a wicket every other match. I like him as a player, but he hasn't proven his worth in the side remotely often enough to be an ODI regular. He does seem to like playing Pakistan mind, six of his 13 wickets against them at 23.00 apiece, but I don't think we'll be playing them or Scotland often enough at the World Cup for that to prove influential.

He's bowled 10 overs six times out of 17 ODIs, although on at least one occasion like in the last match he couldn't bowl 10 because of overs reductions.

Yardy

8-10 overs : 9 ODIs, 510 balls, 10 wkts @ 33.70 (SR 51.00, ER 3.96)
4-7 overs : 8 ODIs, 252 balls, 3 wkts @ 65.67 (SR 84.00, ER 4.69)

Too often he isn't bowling enough overs to be included as one of the five main bowlers. It's back to the bits n pieces mentality of the mid to late 90s, although when England are winning it isn't exposed so much. If Pakistan do put together what they are capable of, and they are looking more like it now, then England may not be able to carry some passengers they have been. I suspect he will be destroyed if he plays down under, that's where England's supposed rise in ODIs will be seriously and vigorously put to the test - or more likely put to the sword

 

[angryangy]

Simply LOL @ Afridi's comments about Irfan, this guy really should go back to the pipe factory, I don't know how he managed to pick up 43 wickets in Pakistan domestic season.

In the clip I saw of him, it looked like some batsmen weren't picking up the ball out of the hand, sort of flinching awkwardly at full deliveries.

 

[Themer]

but the LBW against Akmal looked like it was hitting just outside off stump

That hit inline as Hawkeye showed. And if you nitpick to such a level there was an LBW that Yardy had turned down despite it hitting in line and going on to hit Leg Stump.

 

[Sureshot]

Owzat, I like how you skipped his economy rate of under 4 when he bowls out or nearly bowls out. That's why he's in the side. Admittedly it didn't work yesterday, but he was there at the end with the bat.

Or would you rather Panesar or Rashid as a 2nd spinner? One who can't bat or field and one who is inexperienced and will be more expensive.

He's in the side to do a role set out by the coach and captain and he does it. He's more often than not reliable. Not to mention bringing lots to the side as a county captain.

Anyway....

Strauss was brilliant yesterday, Anderson was good with the ball too. Our fielding was dire, cost us in excess of 30 runs I think. Broad was expensive, but took wickets. Bresnan still doesn't convince me.