Pakistan vs England Jul-Aug-Sep 2010

In the clip I saw of him, it looked like some batsmen weren't picking up the ball out of the hand, sort of flinching awkwardly at full deliveries.

That can be expected as he's a tall guy with a very very high release (I think that's how he picks most of his wickets) but what I am trying to say is that he doesn't do his basics rights and his action is also bit iffy, he's got no pace and he is a terrible fielder.

The only thing he can do is surprise the batsmen with his bounce and high release, if batsmen can work out these things then he'll be played with even more ease.
 
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How many people here think Silly doctrove needs to see an eye specialist. That bloody sucker could not see that big an edge. :facepalm
 
He's pretty naff in general tbh. Umpire I've been impressed by the most of late is Tony Hill.
 
Owzat, I like how you skipped his economy rate of under 4 when he bowls out or nearly bowls out. That's why he's in the side. Admittedly it didn't work yesterday, but he was there at the end with the bat.

He's not in the side to bat. Yes I deliberately left out ER because for me cricket in all forms needs wicket taking and 40 runs off 10 overs is just 40 free runs for no wickets and the batting side have wickets in hand to take runs off other bowlers - I would have said the same of a certain Ashley Giles.

Or would you rather Panesar or Rashid as a 2nd spinner? One who can't bat or field and one who is inexperienced and will be more expensive.

Or one spinner, or someone else. Tredwell didn't get much of a shot.

He's in the side to do a role set out by the coach and captain and he does it. He's more often than not reliable. Not to mention bringing lots to the side as a county captain.

But does he? Pakistan very nearly took the game away from England, the bowlers need to take wickets otherwise the platform is just built for a late onslaught. If it hadn't been for Strauss' lack of walking ability/mentality he'd have been out and England in trouble. His captaincy at county level is largely irrelevant. What builds pressure is wickets, although I do question how a bowler can bowl 10 overs without the batting side trying to take them for more than four an over, but then if he hasn't taken wickets they can merely hit the other bowlers with wickets in hand. 40/0 off 10 overs with 40 overs to bat and 10 wickets in hand might be seen by most as a decent position, doesn't take much to claw back the 10-15 runs below par that he represents, especially with wickets in hand and 40 other overs to do so.

Strauss was brilliant yesterday, Anderson was good with the ball too. Our fielding was dire, cost us in excess of 30 runs I think. Broad was expensive, but took wickets. Bresnan still doesn't convince me.

Not so sure Strauss was that brilliant, how many lives did he need to get to 126? Dropped and not given out, both I believe before he got to 40
 
Yardy goes for little runs, creates pressure and causes people to go after Swann at the other end which leads to wickets. And he is a proper batsman.

He does the role set out for him by the team and has done it pretty well thus far.
 
Yardy goes for little runs, creates pressure and causes people to go after Swann at the other end which leads to wickets.
I'm not sure this statement is entirely one of fact.

In the 8 games Yardy and Swann have played together, Swann has taken more wickets, but has also been more economical and bowled fewer overs. Both players have slightly better strike-rates than in their greater careers, but only Swann enjoys improved economy.

On aggregate and in a case by case basis, Yardy does not go for fewer runs than Swann, though both are substantially more economical than the overall run rate of the innings they bowled in.

In 4 games, Swann took more wickets, while also in 4 games, he went for fewer runs. 3 of these matches are the same; thus in 3 games he took more wickets and went for fewer runs than Yardy.

In 3 games, Yardy bowled more overs. In two of these, Yardy went for fewer runs, while Swann took no wickets. However, in the third game, Swann took 1/31 in six overs, while Yardy was given three more to get 0/49.

With regard to Yardy contributing to Swann's wickets, there may be something to it. 46% of Swann's wickets have been taken after an over from Yardy, but these overs come with an economy of 5.33. On the other hand, 71% of Yardy's wickets have come after an over of Swann, whose overs brought an economy of 4.6.

tl;dr: It seems Yardy feeds off Swann and not the other way around. I think the best argument is that Yardy is competent enough and you could definitely get worse (eg, Bresnan). At such proximity to the World Cup, it may be a poor move to change something which does not seem to be overly consequential.
 
i think i saw highlights of the last match on channel 5

is it me or whenever pakistan do something now (like dropped catches) you just think "wonder if that was fixed"
 
He's not in the side to bat. Yes I deliberately left out ER because for me cricket in all forms needs wicket taking and 40 runs off 10 overs is just 40 free runs for no wickets and the batting side have wickets in hand to take runs off other bowlers - I would have said the same of a certain Ashley Giles.

He's in the side as an all-rounder. My point is that he's selected for his bowling because his economy rate is very good, they know he's not going to take a huge amount of wickets, but more often than not he will keep it tight. Yet, you're judging him on something he's not in the side for.

Or one spinner, or someone else. Tredwell didn't get much of a shot.

I'd have given Tredwell more of a shot, though it does have the issue of two off-spinners in the side, I don't think the selectors like that. I do like the balance of two-spinners in the side. Of course your best bowlers are your best bowlers, but it works well in T20 and the upcoming world cup is in the sub-continent. We've seen over the last 5 years cricket that spin is proving to be vital. Personally, I don't see Yardy as a long term option. I think Rashid will come in to the side sooner than later. In fact, I'd be surprised if Yardy isn't used a stop gap till the end of this winter.


But does he? Pakistan very nearly took the game away from England, the bowlers need to take wickets otherwise the platform is just built for a late onslaught. If it hadn't been for Strauss' lack of walking ability/mentality he'd have been out and England in trouble. His captaincy at county level is largely irrelevant. What builds pressure is wickets, although I do question how a bowler can bowl 10 overs without the batting side trying to take them for more than four an over, but then if he hasn't taken wickets they can merely hit the other bowlers with wickets in hand. 40/0 off 10 overs with 40 overs to bat and 10 wickets in hand might be seen by most as a decent position, doesn't take much to claw back the 10-15 runs below par that he represents, especially with wickets in hand and 40 other overs to do so.

You've left the pressure equation out of the situation. His captaincy at county level is not irrelevant, he's been in charge of one of the most successful sides at one day cricket at domestic level, his experience of not only that success, but working within an environment that produces good one day cricket brings a lot to the side and dressing room.


Not so sure Strauss was that brilliant, how many lives did he need to get to 126? Dropped and not given out, both I believe before he got to 40

All well and good giving someone luck, but they still have to capitalise on it.

Try being optimistic for a change.
 
The 3rd ODI is about to start within 40 minutes from now.

If Pakistan won't play Razzaq again they've already lost the match. And somebody needs to tell Hafeez to score the runs a bit quicker.
 
If Pakistan won't play Razzaq again they've already lost the match.

Razzaq is a hack who can't bowl. Keeping him out is a good thing in my opinion.

Themer added 4 Minutes and 36 Seconds later...

Colly out + Wright in = Fragile batting.
 
Pakistan won the toss and will bat first and Razzaq is back. Understandable decisions, since what happened in the previous ODI.

Collingwood has a virus or so. That will give Wright a chance to prove himself. Bopara can now bat a bit higher in the order.
 
Beauty. Hameed had no chance. Dragged on. Another!

Pakistan look like they're going to collapse here.
 

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