Pakistan vs England Jul-Aug-Sep 2010

Was a treat watching Aamer bowl in that second innings along with Ajmal. 7-28.. That's a Pakistani collapse! Good to see that it wasn't Pakistan the ones collapsing though, rather they were the cause! Anderson's delivery to Yousuf was one of the best of the whole summer. Love watching Jimmy bowl. To bad he will get carted around in Australia. Jimmy needs to adapt to bowling when the conditions don't favour him.
 
Drop KP for Lord's please.

Congrats to Pakistan, for as ████ a Test team they are, they have defeated Australia and England in the last month.

Hmm, maybe that tells you that Pakistan are not that bad of a test team after all! :D

I really hope Younis Khan is brought back for the 4th test, there are rumors that he will be back. If that happens, then I think 4th test will be great.
 
They are an excellent Test bowling side, a poor Test batting side and an awful Test fielding side. I suppose it averages out to a mediocre team.

If Moyo and Younis play though its a whole new story, shame they were not there to begin with, this could have been a much more competitive series.
 
Who are you going to drop? Butt looked more assure at one down and Farhat's runs in the second innings as well as his aggressive approach was invaluable to Pakistan. Hameed got a good ball first up in the second innings, but he played nicely in the first innings, so he will stay. Ali scored 92* and has shown good temperament. Umar Akmal was playing well in the first innings before gifting his wicket and got Pakistan over the line in the second innings. Butt and Yousuf are obviously not getting dropped along with the seamers and Ajmal. That leaves Kamran, and unless Farhat dons the gloves, he will keep his place as well. Pakistan should have flown in Sarfraz as soon as Haider was injured. He is actaully a pretty good keeper and surely would have batted better than Kamran.
 
They are an excellent Test bowling side, a poor Test batting side and an awful Test fielding side. I suppose it averages out to a mediocre team.

If Moyo and Younis play though its a whole new story, shame they were not there to begin with, this could have been a much more competitive series.

Nah. They are just an inconsistent side. On their day, they can do any one of the facets better than any side in the world. Like in this test. They fielded better than England. Less dropped catches in fact. They bowled better and one can say they even batted better, despite that late collapse, but it was still better than 7-28.
 
The inspired performances are far and few between though. When they loose its not as if they loose close matches, they get blown out.
 
That's the thing. Often they can't combine all three facets into one outing. But recently, they are bowling consistently at a good level. Yes the conditions have helped, but they are making use of them, which is the most important part.
The inspired performances are far and few between though

That's a bit unfair. You have to remember, they didn't play tests for a whole year. (2008) Then they played Sri Lanka, where they should have won 2-1, (They lost 2-0) but they either collapsed or couldn't take the wickets required. They played well in the series and didn't have their strongest bowling attack. No Asif. I believe they had Rauf bowling with a debuting Aamer. And they still made a good competitive series out of it. It's never easy playing Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, but had they had Asif and the current Aamer, they would have won. After that they toured NZ and drew 1-1, where as they should have won at Dunedin and lost at Napier, which would still have given them a 2-1 series win. Batting collapsed in Dunedin, but that was a winnable match for sure.

Then came the Australia tour, where there were obvious problems within the team. Despite that, they should have won at Sydney. Again batting collapsed. Doesn't mean they didn't play well. Just a lack of being able to absorb pressure. Again you learn from experience and this is exactly what this side has lacked. Slowly but surely they are getting it.

2-3 in the last five test matches against two of the best test sides in the world in foreign conditions. That's definitely more than mediocre. Yes, they are not at the level of South Africa, England and Australia, but all good things start from somewhere. When Smith was given Captaincy, we struggled with consistency as well. AB De Villiers was like Akmal. Full of talent, but would get out to rash shots. Now look at him. One of the best in the world. This side has talent. What they lacked was an experienced batsman in the middle order, but now they have one and it made a huge difference. The keeper kept well, which kept the bowlers encouraged and made the fielding all round much better. If Pakistan get Younus back and Haider, then this side has a good combination of youth and experience, along with a good bowling attack and a relatively safe keeper who can fight it out with the bat. Just give it time I suppose. The more Pakistan play, the better they will get. Experience is the one thing you can't buy. It just comes naturally. With every loss they learn. It took us four to five years, before we really hit out peak, by beating Australia in Australia. So it takes time. I feel for Pakastani fans. I love watching them play, because they are so fascinating to watch, but they literally want to make you rip your heart out sometimes. But I want them to do well. A good Pakistani side is very good for Cricket... Especially Test Cricket.
 
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tbh, we can talk about younis and dropping whoever but at the end of the day pakistans major problem is iljaz butt. The PCB is run like an ego trip for some corrupt, idiotic old men.

as long as the PCB is run by such rubbish administrators it's team will never prosper. you can say with experience will come results but the fact remains, potentially good players for them like Ali and Butt are liable to be dropped for reasons beyond form. Amir will probably be dropped for having long hair.

I mean can anyone tell me why manzoors last match was a fighting 77 in australia and it's farhat who retains his place? among those they punished for their performance in australia was umar akmal, the guy was 19! why did kamran get dropped and yet appeared back in the side at the next oppertunity? why life ban players temporarily? there is no consistency, no authority an no sense.

that's the long and short of it.
 
@ StinkyBoHoon you are absolutely right, we are always criticize players but the major reason behind Pakistan's inconsistent performance is inconsistent board official.
How any countries have "President" as PCB chief head and how many have Ad-Hoc cricket system.
I mean its our luck that we are still playing cricket, winning 1/5 times, even countries like Bangladesh and Zimbabwe have better cricket structure then us. Every one here try to be a dictator and it will only make situation more worse.
What the hell "PCB" try to do after Australian tour? A ban for a mere whitewash in a tour?Had that happen first time ever?
It is just hilarious, PCB is a real joke, and Ijaz Butt just adds little more foolishness to it.
fling PCB, fling ijaz butt.
 
Very good performance from Pakistan. I hope they win the last test too. Plus England will lose the Ashes. ;)
 
Good to see your back Fatal Shot.

Well the problem lies with the poor leadership in the PCB. Its so obvious and everyone knows what are chairman is really like. I have no idea why he is still there, but I guess change is gonna happen, sooner rather than later. So many selection questions, I still dont understand why the likes of Manzoor and Alam failed to get the nod for the series especially when we had such an in-experienced batting lineup. Meh, I guess everyone is tired of saying this again and again.

I am really loving our TEST team now. We are not unbeatables, heck we cant win every other game, but we have been playing two world class teams in England and Australia and we have beaten them, even if its one TEST. This is a massisive achievement considering the lack of TESTs we have played. The more we play the more settled our team starts to look. The big thing though is that we are improving and as a Pakistani fan, thats all I want them too. I am sure we can only get better, and I am really impressed by our current team management. For the first time in years we actually look to be going forward. Two good captains, in Afridi and Butt, along with a management that actually knows what they are doing.

Having said that, we still have alot to go now. I think the next TEST is the real challenge. England know what to expect and will be waiting for us. Beating them there or even drawing the next match should really make a bold statement to the rest of the cricketing world.

I think the major difference in this game was the presence of Yousef. He brought this calm to the team, and it allowed some pressure taken of most batsmen, notably Butt and UAkmal. Ali showed us what he can do, I didnt see most of his innigns, but when he was near his 50, they showed a stat showing that nearly all his runs were ground scoring shots. KAkmal had a great day with the gloves and I think if his keeping remains the same, he will also soon pick his performances with the bat as well.
 
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Anyone have the anderson delivery to Yousuf?
 
I think Kamran should be encouraged to play cross bat shots instead of guiding the ball to slip.

It may yield better results than what he's gotten so far in this series - or he's just an FTB, as the stats indicate.

Then again, he did make a 100 from 39/6 on a green pitch, so he has the capiability to play those innings. He just hasn't done it.
 
Anyone have the anderson delivery to Yousuf?

That delivery was good but should not have dismissed a settled batsman. It swung very late towards off and defeated Yousuf's defensive prod. I remember Anderson dismissing yousaf with same delivery that swung a lot more in 2003 WC match.
 

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