Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

Right, since whatever I say wouldn't make you believe me, I have no other option but to claim.

I am Matt Prior. Town Aligned.

Each night Kevin will kill without so much as blinking, unless I can find him.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. You must be alive. Bonus point for saving Kevin...



I found Kevin Pietersen the first night, he was BKB. That is why his kill did not go through.
 
Right, since whatever I say wouldn't make you believe me, I have no other option but to claim.

I am Matt Prior. Town Aligned.

Each night Kevin will kill without so much as blinking, unless I can find him.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. You must be alive. Bonus point for saving Kevin...



I found Kevin Pietersen the first night, he was BKB. That is why his kill did not go through.

If that's true, Smurf is lying, no? Of all the claims so far, Smurf's has been the one perhaps hardest to believe IMO. Yours sounds like a more solid claim.

I can't think straight atm, I'm pretty tired, but since this may be one of my last posts of day 3 (day ends in about 12 hours, right?), I'll match my suspicion with a lynch.

Unlynch: Zhuorb

Lynch: Papa_Smurf


PS: Your avatar is a bit misleading:p.
 
I find it really weird that so far all the character claims are of English players. PD, you know other countries play cricket too? :p
 
That settles it for me.

Lynch: Papa Smurf

Already posted why I didnt trust him but didnt pursue it because I didnt think I would find the majority.
 
Smurf is also about the only one not to ask for Zhuorb to claim. He hinted that he usually does claim and then said it gives the mafia an upper hand when he does, effectively hinting that he wouldn't want him to claim in case he uncovers the role that disproves what he's said about his role.

Unlynch: RPHKR

Lynch: Papa Smurf
 
I was wary of his claim, but when Treva's role seemed believable, I thought he may be telling the truth.. However, it does seem likely he's the mafia role-blocker.

Zhuorb's claim testifies my observation about the writeup, and this means Papa Smurf's claim becomes a bit dodgy.

Unlynch: Sedition
Lynch: Papa_Smurf


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I'm not sure when PD is going to return, but we must make sure today is not a no-lynch. There would be no way back for the town then.
 
I believed Papa Smurf because Trott most certainly has to be in the game.

I think I said a few pages ago that PD wanted this to be about gameplay so it will either be all English players (some of whom "shouldn't" be mafia) or he will have given fake claims.
He said that he didn't want us relying on character claims.

Two thoughts spring to mind.
1. I just made a point of saying that Smurf was probably not mafia so I therefore wasn't trying to save him :p
2. Can we work out what actually happened on night 1.

Matt Prior (Zhuorb) finds and rehabilitates KP (BKB) who is then killed by the mafia. Trott (Smurf) claims that he blocked BKB and stopped the kill.
Are both not possible?

I'm wary that my wagon is hitched slightly to Smurf's here but I think we need to try and get this right.

Unlynch Zhuorb for now and FOS Smurf.
 
Zhourb's claim does make sense actually. I'd give PD a chance to defend himself and then proceed further.
 
Already posted why I didnt trust him but didnt pursue it because I didnt think I would find the majority.

The reason you gave was there was a probability that I claimed to draw out the town roleblocker. Well that is a possibility, dont you think it's a big gamble to take on a town PR? Especially considering that no one has yet CC'd me on either my character or role. That's because I am who I say I am.

Plus, you made the point on the previous page that we have to analyze gameplay rather than claims. I've already pointed out sound flaws in thedon's gameplay which is definitely scum-like.

Smurf is also about the only one not to ask for Zhuorb to claim. He hinted that he usually does claim and then said it gives the mafia an upper hand when he does, effectively hinting that he wouldn't want him to claim in case he uncovers the role that disproves what he's said about his role.

What? If I wanted Zhuorb dead, I could have lynched him there and then, and put him one vote away from the hammer. I dont feel threatened whatsoever by Zhuorb or his claim. The fact that he converted BKB does not in anyway imply that I didnt role-block him.

I'm not sure when PD is going to return, but we must make sure today is not a no-lynch. There would be no way back for the town then.

I think lynching off the town roleblocker is more harmful to the town's cause than another no lynch. :rolleyes

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So much bandwagon jumping? I'm afraid I can't explain this. What I can explain though, is that the lynches I have been putting in haven't simply been following the crowd.

My point was that you gave your suspicions, and then only lynched after someone else had. That was because you knew they were town (Terva, Aditya, Zhuorb and myself [Day 2]), and did not want to be seen as the 1st one who lynched them. That has been consistently your voting pattern until this recent lynch on me.

Here, lynching Aditya, I said "I agree" to start my post, indicating I was replying to or reaffirming someone else's thoughts.

That's exactly my point. See my response to your next point.

I was the first to go after Aditya on day 2 or day 3 I think it was. That isn't bandwagoning.

Sedition was the 1st to lynch him. And my point again. You bring up your points about suspicious people, but you're afraid to be in the initial lynchee cos you know they're town.

Please direct me to the post where I lynched Aditya and treva in the exact same post, I can't find it.

It was the post I quoted. I didnt say you lynched them on the same post, but were trying to influence people to go after Aditya if we dont have any leads STRAIGHT after you placed your lynch on treva.

I'm now fully convinced that you're mafia. If Zhuorb had turned out to be mafia, I would have my doubts as to why would you be afraid to be seen as the initial lynchee.
 
Well my point was surely to question your existence. I stand by what I said your RC at the moment is as good as not there. Zhuorb has said he was the one who cured me. And you were blocked last night too.

So you could easily be lying and we would not know. You could be saying the truth too and you have not been CC'd. However I do think there is a possibility that the real RB might not have claimed but chosen to instead to RB you to prove you wrong?

if you are not mafia you are pointing at the don, who I admit has done ALOT of bandwagoning - but most of it has been to an extent justified by his posts prior to the bandwagon as hes pointed out his reasons.

Between the two of you I still find you more scummier.
 
Zhuorb's claim turns the game now. This makes Papa suspicious. His gameplay wasn't scummy yet. But the claim makes him scummier. Yeah as he said, it would be a gamble for the mafia to claim town PR. If at all mafia are given fakeclaims, it is possible that he's the mafia roleblocker.

Let's analyse what Papa said. He said he blocked BKB. That was a tactical move after his claim if he's the mafia. The writeup is so minimal, it doesn't just all roles maybe.
In night 2, he said he was unsuccessful blocking Treva. There's less chance that a mafia RB blocked you. It would make both roles wasted. What are the other possibilities that you were unsuccessful?
 
Not sure what to make of this Zhuorb-Smurf business. Unless someone CC's Zhuorb, his claim does raise some questions about Smurf, but it's entirely possible that they both targeted BKB.

If Smurf is mafia, then he's gotten kinda lucky with some risks he's taken. He claimed RB early when there could've been another town RB or jailkeeper to CC. He came forward and said he was blocked at the beginning of today, and if we have a tracker or watcher that targeted him, they could have confirmed who he was visited by, if anyone, or would know he hadn't visited anyone respectively.

Maybe it's a combination of good planning and luck, but unless someone has some kind of result on Smurf, I wouldn't be comfortable changing my lynch from where it's at. I doubt we've got time to go in the direction of Colin and Abhas though.

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or Ste for that matter, not entirely convinced on him yet either.

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Don't know how I tweaked the tracker/watcher thing up and put respectively.. whatever, I only just woke up :facepalm
 

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