Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[thedon5]

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/search.php?searchid=2309753

Take a look for yourself. You haven't placed any real strong suspicions at all, and most of the suspicions you have had so far have just been reaffirming what others have said. I could accuse you of being the bandwagoner (as I said in reply to Papa_Smurf in day 3, I was definitely not the only one who could be accused of bandwagoning).

Around 50% of your posts, maybe more, have been write-up analysis. Nothing really to further the town's case at all there. What it does do is keep you under the radar though, as it makes it look like you are indeed an actively posting townie (and it worked, no-one at all really suspected you other than treva).

Your reply just compounds my suspicions further.

 

[Sedition]

I had actually gotten town vibes from RPHKR in the earlier parts of the game, but there have been some periods of inactivity and lack of further analysis that made me wonder. I need to read back over his posts with a clear mind and see what I can gather.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

With that in mind, for me, it's one of the others. Ste's gameplay has been suspicious to me all game. It's hard to come to any conclusions as we don't know at all how he plays. Also, his insistence today of getting the lynch on Papa_Smurf in very early is scummy to me, this is not like day 3 where we are really desperate to get a lynch in before the end so IMO he's jumped the gun a bit. No analysis of the write-up as well. Reminds me a bit of Aditya from day 3.

i didn't know that there was anything to analyse in the write-up. i thought it was all just about michael vaughn. it's only now that someone has mentioned bus driver and i've looked it up that it looks like there is something there.

i gave my reasons for why i chose him and i think they are fine. On top of those he was closest to being lynched yesterday and i don't see that much has changed overnight.

 

[RPHKR]

Where is the substance? Where has your insight helped at all in the progress of this game?

There are few valid discussion I initiated. But can you quote some of yours?

It's the 'Psychiatrist'. It converts SK into vanilla.

Matt's the Psychiatrist then.

Cricketing 'abilities' had translated to other skills. So, power roles are abled and well known. No indication of retired/active players in the passage.

The 1st one have possibilities. 2nd and 3rd theory isn't possible as the players' roles can't be used if they're gonna be killed for sure.

Yeah exactly. But there's a chance of a mafia jailkeeper or roleblocker. The jailkeeper might have imprisoned treva too.

Yeah, the town jailkeeper is ruled out. If there exists a mafia roleblocker, he would have easily claimed. But it could get others' attention towards him too. If the mafia roleblocker exists, I don't get why he chose to block another roleblocker.

And I said User has been sneaking around. He didn't defend himself. He came straight and followed Treva to lynch me.

User has been sneaking this day. Zhuorb's play is of 'no use' till now.
I want Treva to mention his character. Simply 'no night role' makes no sense. Then he can even be a mafia goon.

Switching his bowlers around, the busdriver?

And treva, you still didn't answer this.

@treva - Can you just tell why my contribution is worst? My contribution is far better than yours. I expect an analysis on my posts rather than saying that "I filled in". I don't recall a single discussion you initiated this game.

You haven't yet posted your opinion much but still you accuse others for bad contribution.

 

[thedon5]

I had actually gotten town vibes from RPHKR in the earlier parts of the game, but there have been some periods of inactivity and lack of further analysis that made me wonder. I need to read back over his posts with a clear mind and see what I can gather.

I did as well. When treva first mentioned RPHKR possibly being Mafia, I dismissed it and said there was little chance.

Fact was, looking back, he was one of the most active and contributing posters on day 1 and maybe the early parts of day 2 and 3 as well. What do all these parts of the day have in common - all are times for analysing the write-ups. Day 1 especially I think was what took people off him, after you and Colin, he was pretty much the most active player, but was much more neutral than you, and obviously suspicions in the mind from the first day stick in your head for the rest of the game.

He has posted at other times too, but these have all been nothing posts, merely reaffirming what others have said already. He appears to have tried to stay very neutral at these other times as well.

I reckon he has played very well to make us all think this, but IMO he is most likely Mafia, and his good play has been ruined by how he has replied to people who are suspicious of him.

 

[Sedition]

Well I went through every page on RPHKR and nothing really stands out as being scummy. Analysis of write-ups, some pressure on Aditya, Zhuorb, Smurf, Treva off the top of my head. Maybe my view is biased because he's agreed with me a couple of times but other than one or two periods of inactivity, he's doing a good job of staying off my radar if he's scum.

 

[thedon5]

In reply to RPHKR's post just above mine, it looks like you've confirmed my thinking even further. All of those posts that you say are so called "valid discussions" are all just analysis of the write-up.

User has been sneaking around is about the only thing you added that wasn't just reaffirming someone else's post, a write-up analysis or defence against treva's suspicions. Still, that is not an opinion, it is a mere observation and adds little to the game.

You aren't defending yourself well at all.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Lies, lies and ...

This might very well mean most claims are false? And, I agree. Abhas can actually be a bus driver as the writeup suggests. Former captains is also interesting. Who would be the other one? Nasser Hussain?

I'd like to hear from Smurf whom he blocked last night.

 

[Sedition]

I don't have much of an idea what's going on in this game, still trying to figure out how Abhas wasn't mafia tbh.

Something I have been thinking of though is the Smurf thing. I was the roleblocker last game, so trying to get into their head a bit here.

Now Smurf is the only PR to have claimed so far, so maybe the mafia took the easy route of blocking the only known PR on Night 2, and probably thinking he would at least be protected so the kill option was out.

The roleblocker is a powerful town role late in the game, especially with 1 mafia left, but early on can do more harm than good by blocking other town PRs from getting a result.

Putting their own roleblocker on the town roleblocker is essentially like being blocked themselves and they nullify the chance of Smurf blocking another town PR, or "wasting" it by putting it on treva the DV. Not to mention the risk of a watcher targeting Smurf since he was the only known PR and worth keeping an eye on.

They shouldn't have been too worried about Smurf managing to pick the one sent to perform the kill out of 12 or so possible candidates, and even if he had, we'd still be left wondering whether the no-kill occurred because of the block, doc protection, conversion of a traitor/vampire, a bulletproof or the mafia randomly deciding not to kill.

So yeah, I'm starting to find it strange that they would block him knowing what he was, when they could've attempted to find other PRs or block an investigation.

 

[barmyarmy]

Barmy has added near nothing since the first day. He is busy, but just because he is busy, doesn't mean he can't be Mafia

I take issue with that. I'm busy but I'm still contributing more than most people. I agree with sedition about me not honing in on any mafia players yet as I've done in the past but I think my analysis and contribution have been fine.
The game is moving pretty slowly so being busy isn't really a major issue.

I agree that we need to hear from Smurf; especially as I got the impression Abhas was gunning for him. I trust Abhas's instincts normally tbh.
Other players I'm keeping a close eye on include sedition and RPHKR.

 

[thedon5]

I take issue with that. I'm busy but I'm still contributing more than most people. I agree with sedition about me not honing in on any mafia players yet as I've done in the past but I think my analysis and contribution have been fine.
The game is moving pretty slowly so being busy isn't really a major issue.

I agree that we need to hear from Smurf; especially as I got the impression Abhas was gunning for him. I trust Abhas's instincts normally tbh.
Other players I'm keeping a close eye on include sedition and RPHKR.

So you're trying to say that since you're busy, you're automatically town? We shouldn't suspect you?

 

[treva]

RPHKR, these have been my posts since I roleclaimed. Are they one sentence posts like yours? No. You can try and keep combating our suspicions with the same replies but it's only going to make you look more like a mafia member to me.

This is pretty dire at the moment. It is only logical to say at least one of the people gunning for each other (Aditya, Abhas, Sedition) are mafia.

I'm interested in Sedition's call for a mass character claim. Been trying to find an old game where such a thing happened to see what it effects it had on the game and who it favoured. Not had any luck finding the game I'm thinking of though.

I still suggest Zhuorb and RPHKR need to be pressured. I don't believe both of them are town, they've both just followed suit with lunches and 'opinions'.

I'd like to see them both claim and see what comes up. We are heading for another wasted day and the mafia know this.

Sedition, you say a lot of players have been 'inactive', and I do agree to a certain extent, yet I have seen games wrapped up in the same amount of pages as we have reached by day 3. It's not necessarily the amount of posting that has stopped us going anywhere, it's the amount of circles people have taken in deciding who to go after.

If Zhuorb or RPHKR don't post soon I would heavily suggest we lynch one of them. We can't head towards a third no lynch in a row.

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Realise User has basically posted the same thing above. His post hadn't appeared as I was typing mine.

As for views on others Aditya, I have posted them clearly in the last page or so. My views on you are that you keep asking for a lot of views from a lot of people on a lot of things. This is a little hard to read but seems like you are either dragging other people into trying to back you up or looking for reasons to lynch people based on their views. To be honest I actually believe you simply because of the amount of info you have given and consistency in your attack of sedition. Whether you are right I'm not sure.

Are you sure you can copy and paste from your QT though?

Smurf is also about the only one not to ask for Zhuorb to claim. He hinted that he usually does claim and then said it gives the mafia an upper hand when he does, effectively hinting that he wouldn't want him to claim in case he uncovers the role that disproves what he's said about his role.

Unlynch: RPHKR

Lynch: Papa Smurf

Former captains. Think it's safe to assume that the mafia have been given fake claims, although the introduction of former player gives them a wide birth of claims anyway. Abhas has clearly been killed off because the mafia saw him as a threat.

Where do we go now, anyone have any information from the night phase?

I have gone after RPHKR before and I stand by it. You constantly post the exact same reply in defence to anything, and yet I still don't see posts of substance. Myself, Zhuorb and PS are the only ones (still alive) who have posted less than you and I don't believe you have posted substance at all, which you claim to.

Where is the substance? Where has your insight helped at all in the progress of this game?

I'm more than happy to get rid of you today without hesitation.

Lynch: RPHKR

 

[ved_]

Michael Vaughan was certainly the bus driver., not good for us at all
On my phone sorry for any typos and stuff

 

[BKB1991]

In a bit of hurry to lectures, I will get to you guys in a bit.

 

[barmyarmy]

So you're trying to say that since you're busy, you're automatically town? We shouldn't suspect you?

Nowhere did I say that. You should suspect me; you should suspect everyone (apart from Treva maybe )
Keeping an open mind is good town play.