Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[ste_mc_efc]

unlych papa_smurf

lynch user 2010

with the bandwagon lynch on papa_smurf with no explanation at all he looks guilty as. if he's not scum then not really explaining anything isn't exactly helpful anyway.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Well alright. Just for the sake of getting this game moving I'll claim.

I'm the tracker.

I tracked Smurf last night and saw him around no one. He posted earlier about him blocking Don so, I knew he was lying. Thing which was confusing is why he was seen around no one? So, I thought maybe Abhas switched there. But, now Smurf says he posted about blocking Don just because he knows Don is mafia...

So basically, we're even more screwed with 2 PRs known now. Of course if Smurf isn't mafia that is.

 

[Sedition]

And there we have our 1st mafia.

Lynch: User2010

And while we're at,

FOS: thedon5

I didnt roleblock anyone last night. It was Sedition's post that made me think about this - I'm more likely to roleblock a townie than a mafia, given our numbers.

So, I decided to say I roleblocked thedon5, because I'm convinced he's mafia. The only people who should have known I was lying straight off the bat should have been the mafia. The tracker or watcher should have had still some doubt in their mind because of the busdriver.

It's up to you guys if you believe me or not. But to me User and thedon are definitely mafia. They've been found out either way in my perspective - if you guys dont believe me now, then you will definitely believe me after my death.

I only posted that today, so it couldn't have influenced you to skip your block last night. My reasons for not lynching you yesterday were because I thought you'd gotten pretty lucky if you're mafia to avoid being discovered, coupled with Abhas lynching you, and Colin's FOS, both of whom I thought were mafia trying to get rid of you so they'd be free to kill someone else instead.

After we went to night though, there was a post you made earlier in the game that bothered me, where you said the most plausible explanation for you being blocked is that a town jailkeeper had targeted you. Since it would be rather weird for the town to have both a roleblocker and a jailkeeper, it makes me think you were fishing for some kind of claim.

Things just aren't adding up, and while I'd like to lynch Colin for being way off his usual self, I'm finding it hard to buy your story.

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Well alright. Just for the sake of getting this game moving I'll claim.

I'm the tracker.

I tracked Smurf last night and saw him around no one. He posted earlier about him blocking Don so, I knew he was lying. Thing which was confusing is why he was seen around no one? So, I thought maybe Abhas switched there. But, now Smurf says he posted about blocking Don just because he knows Don is mafia...

So basically, we're even more screwed with 2 PRs known now. Of course if Smurf isn't mafia that is.

No other results that could tell us something? Probably risk giving other PRs away, so I'll trust your judgement if that's the case.

The mafia role that seems to fit for Smurf is GF, with a goon that does the killing, and possibly a roleblocker partner who would mostly be free to go out his business if we're all looking at Smurf.

 

[Gaurav_7]

No other results that could tell us something? Probably risk giving other PRs away, so I'll trust your judgement if that's the case.

I think I can give away the first night info. I knew there was a bus driver in the game since night 1. That's all.

 

[Sedition]

Cheers, that's handy for me at least, because I wasn't really convinced on the BD thing.

 

[barmyarmy]

So Smurf is claiming that saying he blocked Don was just a ploy to bring out mafia players? I agree that out of Smurf and User one is probably lying but tracker (like roleblocker) is a strong town claim with no CC at present.
Can we try to work out if there is evidence that either of the roles have actually been used as claimed?

@User - what was the wording of your PM from PD compared to the Bus Driver night? Did it say the person you intended to target or the person you actually ended up targeting?

 

[treva]

Finally, something to get us going. I have only lynched PS and RPHKR so far this game and I still think they should be prime targets for lynching today. The only thing I can't get round is the fact that nobody has counter claimed PS if he is mafia. You'd expect a town roleblocker, but maybe we are expecting that too easily.

So User, I assume you know of the BD because he switched your targets on night 1?

 

[Sedition]

Further point about Smurf that I forgot to mention - Saying you blocked thedon, again looks like mafia fishing for a claim, since if he had a PR he probably would've come forward and said no you hadn't blocked him. What's the rule about lynch all liars?

Also to clarify this point:

5) Sedition mentioned why bother RB'ing when they could have just killed me. I believe the reason for that was because they fell for Manly's dossier crap.

I was saying why even target you at all? Not attempting to kill you on N2 if you're town makes sense, because they would be worried about you being protected and/or watched. By roleblocking you, they still risk the watcher, but they're pretty much wasting their own block and making it impossible for you to block another town PR, or waste it on a passive role like Treva, who you said you were most suspicious of.

If your suspicions had been squared on the goon or GF, then I can understand them being worried about their kill being blocked and deciding to block you, but from my point of view, it looks like a rather pointless exercise from them.

 

[BKB1991]

I think enough is enough. For all we know the mafia have been given fake character claims (Smurf has said he wants people to decipher more from the in game play rather than night writeups and claims) and add to that there is not a single time it is proven that Smurf is indeed the RB. As for no one counterclaiming Smurf, its simply they wanted to protect themselves and had RB Smurf on night 2 to prove it.

Lynch: Papa Smurf

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(Puddleduck not Smurf*)

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in the brackets I mean.

 

[Sedition]

Yeah probably should have just gone through with it yesterday and the day before I want to make sure no one CCs User first, but otherwise I'm down with lynching Smurf, too many things aren't adding up.

 

[puddleduck]

Vote Count

Papa Smurf (4) - User, Barmyarmy, RPHKR, BKB
RPHKR (2) - thedon, Treva
Barmyarmy (1) - Aditya
User (2) - Papa Smurf, Ste

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. There are plenty of hours left in the day... for now.

 

[treva]

I am holding off on the hammer blow for an hour or so and then going for it if nothing changes.

 

[Papa_Smurf]

I think enough is enough. For all we know the mafia have been given fake character claims (Smurf has said he wants people to decipher more from the in game play rather than night writeups and claims) .

Yet you're entire entire reasoning for going after me has been my claim

I think I can give away the first night info. I knew there was a bus driver in the game since night 1. That's all.

I don't believe you for 2 reasons:

1) There's no reason not to give information once you've claimed. The mafia know who you are and you may as well divulge all your information. Unless you have no information to divulge, and you know any wrong result would catch you out.

2) You haven't claimed your character. Again, because you have no character to fall back on.

Again, I re-iterate - User and thedon have been found out. You'll either believe me now, or in an hour's time or so when treva hammers.

 

[treva]

What is your character User?

 

[BKB1991]

Yet you're entire entire reasoning for going after me has been my claim

Dont follow what you are saying? In the last post I said your strongest reasoning for you being a town, which is your character and roleclaim are rebuttable. Someone pointed out that mafia may have been given fake character claims and add to that your roleclaim cannot be verified even after three nights. I agree with Sedition - too many things with you just dont add up.