Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[ste_mc_efc]

i'm definitely a lot more inclined to believe ps now. although i kept my lynch on user anyway

and when he was almost lynched he claimed that once he was gone we would see user and thedon as mafia, now they are staging a silly fight to try and make it look like they aren't both mafia.

keeping my lynch on user, but i think thedon may well be mafia too now.

 

[thedon5]

I just posted my thoughts, but was re-directed to Aditya's game :s

In a rush, so I'll just post the key points.

1) Roleblocked thedon5 and was successful.

2) Still find him suspicious, but it's good to see he's changed his hide-behind-the-wagon play.

3) Was convinced RPHKR was contributing somewhat, but looking deeper into it, most of it was stemming from his Day 1 analysis of the write-up.

4) Abhas death obviously puts me in the firing line. I believe they thought they could kill 2 birds with one stone. Kill a really good player in Abhas and bring the heat on the guy who he was gunning for - the only revealed town PR.

5) Sedition mentioned why bother RB'ing when they could have just killed me. I believe the reason for that was because they fell for Manly's dossier crap.

Maybe YOU should read the thread instead of the Mafia QT, User?

 

[treva]

Classic defence of being told you've been caught red-handed is to say the exact same back at the other person. I know, I've tried before when I was mafia and got caught out. Sticking with my lynch.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Wow, just wow. Go back and read the thread, will you Ste and Trev? There's a post where Smurf himself said he blocked no one. And now the way Don has shifted his suspicions, I am sure we have a mafia. Please read and don't just blindly ignore my posts.

 

[thedon5]

Don, you might aswell claim your full role now that you've said you were blocked and must be a town PR if you're not mafia. Very strange turn of events here, but I'm inclined to believe User right now.

May as well, but I will likely be killed or something I guess.

I am the News of the World Reporter. Basically the cop. I know it may be hard to believe as so far it's only been players, but remember the line in the write-up, "He knew where he worked was a joke"? That's the News of the World, not BCCI or PCB or anything.

On night 1, I investigated Abhas. He was town-aligned. On night 2, I investigated Sedition. He was town-aligned (and hence why I stopped going after him at all). By then I still knew I may be insane. So I went for a guy I was pretty sure was Mafia on day 3, so I went for Papa_Smurf. I was unsuccessful. However, with the death of Abhas at night, I now know I am not insane. So Sedition is 100% town.

I stopped going after Smurf also because of the roleblock. I knew he was telling the truth about his role to some extent, that he was a roleblocker, so I decided to leave him alone and then go after the other guys who could've been Mafia.

One thing I've come to realise is that all these roles are the same as PD's previous games. So far I'm pretty sure there hasn't even been an insane cop in any Puddle Mafia, so Smurf mentioning a jailkeeper is strange to me.

Fact is, there hasn't been a town roleblocker in any Puddle Mafia. There was, however, a prostitute.

So on this basis, Lynch: Papa_Smurf.

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Wow, just wow. Go back and read the thread, will you Ste and Trev? There's a post where Smurf himself said he blocked no one. And now the way Don has shifted his suspicions, I am sure we have a mafia. Please read and don't just blindly ignore my posts.

I just highlighted the post where he said he roleblocked me, and was successful?

The fact that you are still going after me makes me believe that you may still be Mafia.

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The way I shifted my suspicions is more indicative of me thinking more about your claim. I also have realised that one of you or Smurf is Mafia.

The line about Stuart Broad being good at reading batsmen is important, as it seems all of PD's messages had something like that in them.

This was mine : "You work for a paper than mostly likes to make up stories. However if you drill enough holes, eventually you'll strike oil."

I don't remember Smurf mentioning one...

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Wow, just wow. Go back and read the thread, will you Ste and Trev? There's a post where Smurf himself said he blocked no one. And now the way Don has shifted his suspicions, I am sure we have a mafia. Please read and don't just blindly ignore my posts.

i have read. and i'm definitely keeping my lynch on you out of petty spite at being borderline insulted. Although i'm confident you are mafia anyway.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Okay, I believe you maybe. But, Smurf didn't block you as he himself said it and I tracked him and found him around no one.

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I can't do anything then when you blindly ignore all the info and say 'I am confident'. Any reasons? Or, just trying to get a known town PR lynxhed?

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That was for Ste, 2nd part. Off to play Cricket now.

 

[puddleduck]

Bed time for me, will try and check state of play before work

 

[BKB1991]

WOW. You guys are such idiots. According to Smurf he didnt block you. Look at the following two posts.

1) Roleblocked thedon5 and was successful.

And there we have our 1st mafia.

Lynch: User2010

And while we're at,

FOS: thedon5

I didnt roleblock anyone last night. It was Sedition's post that made me think about this - I'm more likely to roleblock a townie than a mafia, given our numbers.

So, I decided to say I roleblocked thedon5, because I'm convinced he's mafia. The only people who should have known I was lying straight off the bat should have been the mafia. The tracker or watcher should have had still some doubt in their mind because of the busdriver.

It's up to you guys if you believe me or not. But to me User and thedon are definitely mafia. They've been found out either way in my perspective - if you guys dont believe me now, then you will definitely believe me after my death.

So he didnt block anyone according to his later post. So theDon, User was telling the truth all the time and its Smurf's bullshit that has created the confusion and nearly got everyone to lynch User. The bandwagon was based on such poor grounds, that I am sure theres atleast one mafia that bandwagoned from Smurf to User.

Smurf has already been caught lying once, and you only lie in this game because you have something to hide. But the best part about his second post is the reason why he didnt RB anyone, because he was likely to RB the town not a mafia. My god, by that logic anyone but the Cop should not use his role, because you are always more likely to hit a town and not a mafia

 

[Sedition]

Not that I want to dig my own grave or anything, but I could be GF, hence the innocent, but okay, it seems like an honest claim. I believe Aditya was a pure town roleblocker in one of PD's games, but yeah it's the only time I've seen it on the town side.

It's possible that the actual mafia roleblocker targeted Don and Smurf is GF, hence him not showing up, but seemingly knowing that Don was blocked. His lie about blocking Don and then saying no one pretty much seals it for me.

 

[thedon5]

He didn't not show up. For you and Abhas I got "Town-Aligned", for him I got "Unsuccesful", I was clearly roleblocked last night and User's result was affected by the BD.

I think User just had a bit of poor town play in the last page, thinking I was Mafia. He is most likely town though.

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Not that I want to dig my own grave or anything, but I could be GF, hence the innocent, but okay, it seems like an honest claim. I believe Aditya was a pure town roleblocker in one of PD's games, but yeah it's the only time I've seen it on the town side.

It's possible that the actual mafia roleblocker targeted Don and Smurf is GF, hence him not showing up, but seemingly knowing that Don was blocked. His lie about blocking Don and then saying no one pretty much seals it for me.

I'm aware, but your gameplay has been more town.

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Okay, I believe you maybe. But, Smurf didn't block you as he himself said it and I tracked him and found him around no one.

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I can't do anything then when you blindly ignore all the info and say 'I am confident'. Any reasons? Or, just trying to get a known town PR lynxhed?

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That was for Ste, 2nd part. Off to play Cricket now.

That was just Smurf's lies. I'm pretty sure there is another Mafia RB that blocked me, and he couldn't keep his story together so oddly changed it.

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Two more on Smurf before he's lynched. Let's do it quick before PD goes to bed.

Who will you be tracking tonight User?

 

[Sedition]

I meant that if Smurf is mafia, the reason you didn't show up on User's tracking result probably means Smurf is GF and sent his goon to kill and the actual roleblocker targeted you. His lie about blocking you, then changing it to say no one when he came under fire seems like he knew you were the block target, but when you hadn't responded and User caught him, he figured you were a passive role and the block had no way of being confirmed/denied.

User's definitely not guilty of poor play as far as I can see, because you saying he's lying and Smurf is telling the truth definitely made you look scummy when Smurf had later said he actually blocked no one.

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and if we're going ahead with lynching Smurf, we might aswell have Treva hammer it with 4 votes placed to confirm he's the DV.

 

[thedon5]

Fair enough about User, I just thought that User immediately lynching me as soon as I was suspicious of him was scummy behaviour.

Yeah I said that as I was in a rush to make sure I posted before treva put down the hammer on User as it appeared from my quick skim that he was lying.

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1. Manly - Town
2. Sedition - Town
3. RPHKR - ?
4. BKB - Third-Party
5. User - Town
6. Abhas - Town
7. Zhuorb - Town
8. Aditya - Town
9. thedon - Town
10. BKB V2 - ?
11. Barmy - ?
12. Ste - ?
13. Papa Smurf - Mafia
14. Treva - Town

There's probably two Mafia amongst those four.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Don's claim is very plausible tbf. I know I am town. So, it only leaves Smurf. His claim has always been suspicious. Also, Ste has got on my suspicion radar. Remember how he began with targeting Smurf but, now almost believes I am mafia without backing it up with anything solid. I think we need to get rid of Trev. He has lied and I still can't believe how anyone doesn't sus him for that rubbish he posted about mafia trying to target two people with one shot. Mafia will target a known town PR or a random role who is a good player? I will leave it to Trev to hammer Smurf.

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Sorry, that should read 'we need to get rid of Smurf'

 

[Aditya]

In all fairness, I find Smurf's play to be town. I've played earlier with him and usually when he's mafia, he's pretty aggressive and his gameplay is totally different. Although in this game, he has tried to look for "evidence" before lynching anyone, instead of placing blind lynches or so called "pressuring". Although at the same time, I also sort of believe User and I even mentioned this on the very first day when he was being questioned/pressured for merely nothing.

TBF, I don't see how Colin feels he has contributed, to me he hasn't, at least by his usual standards. Manly was absolutely spot on when he said in QT, longer the game progresses and more Colin posts will give us all a much clearer idea about his play/alignment.

One player I've got no read is Ste. What do the rest of you think about Ste?