Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

Roles/Claims -

Manly - Mason
BKB - Third-Party (SK)
Abhas - Bus Driver

Sedition - ?
RPHKR - ?
Zhuorb - ?
BKB V2 - ?
Ste - ?

User - Tracker
Aditya - Other Mason
thedon - News Reporter (Cop)
Barmy - Cop
Papa Smurf - Roleblocker
Treva - DV

Is this correct? I think a mass claim would be the best idea at this stage.
 
Sedition
RPHKR
BKBv2
Ste
Thedon - Cop: NotW lol
Barmyarmy - Cop: Paul Collingwood
Zhuorb - Psychiatrist: Matt Prior
User - Tracker: Stuart Broad
Treva - Double voter: Alastair Cook
Smurf - Roleblocker: Jonathan Trott
Aditya - Mason: Jimmy Anderson
Manly - Mason: Graeme Swann
Abhas - Busdriver?: Michael Vaughan
BKB - SK: Kevin Pietersen

Pretty close to that. Maybe we have 2 cops and no masons if Aditya can't explore a different angle at some point :spy
 
Couple of points to make:
1. If there are two cops one of us is almost certainly naive. Effectively vanilla.
2. I didn't target Sedition two nights running because I wasn't sure I could.

In terms of a mass claim; I'm not totally convinced, The fact is that there's probably an unclaimed doctor out there so our only chance of preventing a nightkill is keeping it that way. I reckon we have enough evidence to go after Smurf or User.

I'm more suspicious of Smurf, as he changed his story twice.
 
Roles/Claims -

Manly - Mason
BKB - Third-Party (SK)
Abhas - Bus Driver


Sedition - ?
RPHKR - ?
BKB V2 - ?
Ste - ?

Zhuorb - Psych
User - Tracker
Aditya - Other Mason
thedon - News Reporter (Cop)
Barmy - Cop
Papa Smurf - Roleblocker
Treva - DV

I reckon we have enough evidence to go after Smurf or User.

What evidence against me? I think it is Smurf who has made things up and not me. Posts like 'you will see after my death' are just desperation. But, having 2 cops and a tracker is weird tbh. Maybe you both should post your investigations once again and work out from there..
 
Well, I'm all in favor of what the majority wants. As I mentioned earlier, I don't particularly feel that Smurf has played as mafia but neither have I said that he isn't/cannot be mafia, in other words I'm unsure but if you guys want me to lynch him, I don't mind.
 
@User - the issue is that he said he blocked don, you said he blocked no-one, he then said he blocked no-one, and Don then said that Smurf blocked him. You can't all be telling the truth.
As I said I believe you not Smurf but it's definitely between the two of you.
 
@User - the issue is that he said he blocked don, you said he blocked no-one, he then said he blocked no-one, and Don then said that Smurf blocked him. You can't all be telling the truth.
As I said I believe you not Smurf but it's definitely between the two of you.
I get that.

For that, this could well be the case -

I meant that if Smurf is mafia, the reason you didn't show up on User's tracking result probably means Smurf is GF and sent his goon to kill and the actual roleblocker targeted you. His lie about blocking you, then changing it to say no one when he came under fire seems like he knew you were the block target, but when you hadn't responded and User caught him, he figured you were a passive role and the block had no way of being confirmed/denied.
 
Couple of points to make:
1. If there are two cops one of us is almost certainly naive. Effectively vanilla.
2. I didn't target Sedition two nights running because I wasn't sure I could.

In terms of a mass claim; I'm not totally convinced, The fact is that there's probably an unclaimed doctor out there so our only chance of preventing a nightkill is keeping it that way. I reckon we have enough evidence to go after Smurf or User.

I'm more suspicious of Smurf, as he changed his story twice.

I think if one of us in naive, it's definitely me, as that would make more sense looking at my role. Collingwood is respected, News of the World is a joke.

I reckon at least be a mass character claim if not a mass role claim.

@Aditya: Don't lynch him, we need to verify that treva is the DV.

Ste and RPHKR are definitely Mafia IMO, BKB V2 has been playing like a townie. Mind you, Ste was the one to suggest that Varun was most likely vanilla, that's why he left, maybe Ste and BKB are a team?

Either way I'm pretty sure Ste is Mafia.
 
fearsome tweak me, some serious changing of opinion here. I changed to User because I started to actually believe what Smurf was saying, there was just something about those last couple of posts when he was on the verge of a hammer. User still looks like mafia to me for reasons I have previously posted. I'd like to still lynch him but if nobody else is going to do so I suppose it's better for the town to move onto one of Don or Colin.

I don't think there would be two cops at all, so one of them is lying. Can pick holes in both claims. Don for coming out and claiming a character a mafia player would know would be safe to claim because a town player would be unlikely to be such a character, whilst Colin is a 'former captain'. This links back to the night write-up where a former captain killed Abhas.

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Also, you may want me to 'check out' but I refuse to lynch off Smurf until the very last second. Fighting for my own opinion here, not just going to vote off someone I actually think is less scummy than a few others.
 
Er, these are Smurf's posts for the day..

I just posted my thoughts, but was re-directed to Aditya's game :s

In a rush, so I'll just post the key points.

1) Roleblocked thedon5 and was successful.

2) Still find him suspicious, but it's good to see he's changed his hide-behind-the-wagon play.

3) Was convinced RPHKR was contributing somewhat, but looking deeper into it, most of it was stemming from his Day 1 analysis of the write-up.

4) Abhas death obviously puts me in the firing line. I believe they thought they could kill 2 birds with one stone. Kill a really good player in Abhas and bring the heat on the guy who he was gunning for - the only revealed town PR.

5) Sedition mentioned why bother RB'ing when they could have just killed me. I believe the reason for that was because they fell for Manly's dossier crap.

Had more detailed thoughts, but lost them.

1. Lie. Mafia looking for confirmation of whether Don was successfully blocked, which reveals whether he's a PR or not.

2. Doesn't find thedon suspicious anymore.

3. Same thing most people had said about RPHKR already.

4. Possible, but fits for mafia too.

5. Already clarified that I was saying why even target Smurf at all Night 2, with block or kill.

And there we have our 1st mafia.

Lynch: User2010

And while we're at,

FOS: thedon5

I didnt roleblock anyone last night. It was Sedition's post that made me think about this - I'm more likely to roleblock a townie than a mafia, given our numbers.

So, I decided to say I roleblocked thedon5, because I'm convinced he's mafia. The only people who should have known I was lying straight off the bat should have been the mafia. The tracker or watcher should have had still some doubt in their mind because of the busdriver.

It's up to you guys if you believe me or not. But to me User and thedon are definitely mafia. They've been found out either way in my perspective - if you guys dont believe me now, then you will definitely believe me after my death.

User calls BS because had tracked Smurf visiting no one. So somehow User is instantly mafia in Smurf's mind even though Smurf was lying. Now suspicion suddenly back on thedon.

Somehow my post today about blocking town PRs had influenced Smurf from the future and he actually decided not to block last night.

and the last point, Smurf may well be Jonathan Trott, mafia roleblocker, but the way PD's been revealing deaths, we won't get any confirmation of mafia or town.

Yet you're entire entire reasoning for going after me has been my claim :rolleyes



I don't believe you for 2 reasons:

1) There's no reason not to give information once you've claimed. The mafia know who you are and you may as well divulge all your information. Unless you have no information to divulge, and you know any wrong result would catch you out.

2) You haven't claimed your character. Again, because you have no character to fall back on.

Again, I re-iterate - User and thedon have been found out. You'll either believe me now, or in an hour's time or so when treva hammers.

It's pretty obvious why a role such as a tracker would not want to reveal all of his results. Sure, he can possibly clear someone else, but he also hands the mafia a PR if that person is town, and we're still left guessing if they're town PR or mafia. In Colin's case, he could be the actual roleblocker, or as he claims, a cop.

Character claim doesn't seem a big deal now since it's been obvious for awhile that everyone has an English player, even if they're mafia it seems.

Smurf's accusations against User and thedon remind me of my own meltdown last game as the odds were stacking against me.

Anyway, any DVs out there refusing to lynch the liar when they were an hour away from it not long ago, might want to reconsider, unless you're not DV of course :p
 
Not even going to bother trying to fight this, not worth the hassel when you guys will just turn on me. I think we are pretty much tweaked now that everyone's come to this conclusion anyway. Don't come crying to me when Smurf turns out to be town.

Unlynch
Lyunch: Smurf
 
i'm not going to claim today. it looks like smurf has gone and i'm fine with that. I've found him suspicious from the start although now i think there is a good chance that his argument about user and the don could be correct i guess we will find out when he is lynched.

It'd be naive to the point of foolishness of me to claim at this moment.
 
i'm not going to claim today. it looks like smurf has gone and i'm fine with that. I've found him suspicious from the start although now i think there is a good chance that his argument about user and the don could be correct i guess we will find out when he is lynched.

It'd be naive to the point of foolishness of me to claim at this moment.

It would be, if you are Mafia or the doc that is.

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kerpluck me, some serious changing of opinion here. I changed to User because I started to actually believe what Smurf was saying, there was just something about those last couple of posts when he was on the verge of a hammer. User still looks like mafia to me for reasons I have previously posted. I'd like to still lynch him but if nobody else is going to do so I suppose it's better for the town to move onto one of Don or Colin.

I don't think there would be two cops at all, so one of them is lying. Can pick holes in both claims. Don for coming out and claiming a character a mafia player would know would be safe to claim because a town player would be unlikely to be such a character, whilst Colin is a 'former captain'. This links back to the night write-up where a former captain killed Abhas.

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Also, you may want me to 'check out' but I refuse to lynch off Smurf until the very last second. Fighting for my own opinion here, not just going to vote off someone I actually think is less scummy than a few others.

You don't think there would be two cops, but I hope your basis for wanting to lynch one of us is not that only. Mislynching a cop won't help us. At all.
 
I would like to lynch User before either of you two, but I'm going to presume many will want one of you two dead tomorrow.
 

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