Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[thedon5]

Mate, you realise that assuming that everyone's role claim is legitimate and that I'm a sane cop and not naive, either you or BKB (or both!) have to be Mafia?

I reckon it's time for a mass role-claim.

 

[Gaurav_7]

I tried to track Ste and got back unable to use your role. So, I was blocked?

Trev, I don't really know what else I could do to make you realize I am the bloody tracker! Colin got me town and thedon got Ste as town..

So, it is -

Manly - Mason - DEAD
Sedition - DEAD
BKB - SK - DEAD
Abhas - BD - DEAD
Papa Smurf - RB (?) - DEAD

User - Tracker
Zhuorb - Psych
Aditya - Other mason
thedon - News (Cop)
Barmy - Cop
Treva - DV
RPHKR - ?
BKBv2 - ?
Ste - ?

I think the mafia are pretty clever if the claims are true. I believe Colin's claim because my night info says so. Mafia killed Sedition and have let me and others who have claimed lived to put back the suspicion on me. Now, if you people could get that... We need role claims, I think. Ste and RPHKR are the ones I am most suspicious of. Also, BKB has slipped under the radar.

 

[thedon5]

I want role claims for the remaining three or we lynch them off. Nothing more suspicious than refusing to claim a role.

From my night result though, and his unwillingness to reveal his role (perhaps from fear of getting night-killed), I have a feeling Ste is the doc.

 

[Aditya]

Sticking with the fact, two cops and 1 tracker in the same game is not possible, as simple as that. Someone among these 3 is lying. Correct me if I'm wrong though. Among these 3, I've been the most suspicious of Colin, still am but I'm not going to stick with just 1 member. So, it's about the majority here. We need to ask a simple question to ourselves, who among these 3 has been the most scummiest?

Apart from these 3, Ste hasn't been impressive. Poor gameplay which is understandable considering this is his first game although at the same time, he isn't really playing like a noob when it comes to be aggressive towards lynching a player. So, what does that prove? He is being told how to play by his fellow mafia team mates. That's what I think and hence, I'd like to hear from him.

Lynch : Ste

BKB has been under the radar, and that's not how we know him to play. RPHKR's play has been a little hard to understand. He has made helpful posts, perhaps a little too helpful. If anything, he hasn't played like this in his earlier games. Surely something to think about.

Night actions
User tried to track Ste, blocked
Colin investigated User and got town
Thedon5 investigated Ste and got town

Again, it's hard for me to believe anyone at all among these 3 and so I'm not gonna really stress on their night results.

I investigated Ste and got pro-town. I'm going to believe that for now. So that leaves RPHKR.

Lynch: RPHKR

Hang on, too quick to lynch are ya? Got pro-town on Ste and without even any justification you are placing a lynch on RPHKR. Why is he the only one you have in your mind to lynch. What about Bkb? What about Colin and User? Are you telling me, you believe that this game has 2 cops?

 

[barmyarmy]

I think people are a bit trigger-happy with the lynching here. Get it wrong and quick-hammering scum can finish someone off.
I agree that we need a mass claim. It's only ste, BKB and RPHKR left anyway.

As I see it Aditya and Treva (and maybe Zhuorb who has disappeared anyway) are confirmed town whilst everyone else is possible mafia.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

okay i'll claim.

I'm andy flower and i'm bulletproof on account of wearing a lot of t-shirts.

I've been aggressive because i hoped to make myself a night-kill target so the mafia can waste a night and i figured if it back-fired and i came close to being lynched my role was strong enough to save me.

 

[Aditya]

Umm.. why did you need so much time to claim then? When rest powerful night roles had claimed, why not you? Considering, you yourself say that your role is "strong enough" to save you.

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If you say, you didn't claim so that mafia's target you during the night phase, ask yourself do you seriously think mafia's will rather go after someone playing his first game rather than someone more experienced?

 

[Gaurav_7]

I'm andy flower and i'm bulletproof on account of wearing a lot of t-shirts.

I've been aggressive because i hoped to make myself a night-kill target so the mafia can waste a night and i figured if it back-fired and i came close to being lynched my role was strong enough to save me.

You have been aggressive to make yourself a night target? Why would mafia target you when you are aggressive only against one person who is actually town and mafia know that?

And, I don't really buy that claim tbh. Bulletproof, two masons, two cops, tracker, SK, Psych, DV, a bit too much leaning anti-mafia that if we take a look at balance.

 

[barmyarmy]

I'm also not convinced about the character claim. Everyone else has claimed a current player or ex-captain and you claim the coach. Seems like you might have thought it was safer than risking a player.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Umm.. why did you need so much time to claim then? When rest powerful night roles had claimed, why not you? Considering, you yourself say that your role is "strong enough" to save you.

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If you say, you didn't claim so that mafia's target you during the night phase, ask yourself do you seriously think mafia's will rather go after someone playing his first game rather than someone more experienced?

well i didn't think they would definitely target me. i just tried to make it more likely. I didn't claim yesterday as smurf had been/was going to be lynched, so outing myself as bulletproof would mean i would not get night killed. So i waited one more night phase.

how else am i supposed to play this role?

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You have been aggressive to make yourself a night target? Why would mafia target you when you are aggressive only against one person who is actually town and mafia know that?

And, I don't really buy that claim tbh. Bulletproof, two masons, two cops, tracker, SK, Psych, DV, a bit too much leaning anti-mafia that if we take a look at balance.

well i didn't know smurf was town did I? I was trying to target someone i thought was mafia, with few people being aggressive early on i figured it would make me more of a target than vanilla or roled townies who were being quiet

 

[ved_]

Alright, I'm back home and have my internet running again. Will post after I come back later.

 

[thedon5]

@Aditya: I'm being quick to go after RPHKR as I'm almost certain I'm a sane cop. Not naive or anything. I got town-aligned on both Sedition and Abhas, and, guess what? They're both town. So I have no choice but to believe Ste's claim. As a fellow new player who has never played as a bulletproof before, his gameplay makes sense as I would have probably taken a similar route. Also as someone who isn't a player, his character claim doesn't make me suspicious at all like it appears to be doing for some. I realise that there's still a chance he is the godfather, but I'd rather go after RPHKR than go after Ste who is most likely town.

I'm going after RPHKR as last round I isolated Ste and RPHKR as the most likely to be Mafia. Now that Ste is gone, I'm going after RPHKR. Early lynch as I want a freaking role-claim already, at least from the guy whom I find the most suspicious. BKB is another one, but RPHKR's gameplay is definitely less helpful and more scummy for me.

I think there's a good chance there's no doc in the game either.

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Oh and why does everyone think Smurf was town all of a sudden? Still every chance he was Mafia. Fact is he made up stories, just because he really was Jonathan Trott, doesn't mean he was town. Remember, PD wanted us to use gameplay, not roles and claims. His gameplay was full of lies and therefore we can believe he was scum.

 

[barmyarmy]

I agree that we're at a bit of an impasse until RPHKR and BKB claim.

 

[BKB1991]

Wow PD. I knew you were trying to make the game tough with minimal writeup, can we atleast know the alignment of Sedition - if he was mafia or not? It doesnt help when you dont even know the guy dead is mafia or town. :/

Slipping under the radar? Haha its only been the last few days (in real life) where I have but that is because I have just had a lot to do. I havent intentionally done so, because my activity was alright at the start/middle of the game.

I will roleclaim now cause it will help the town. I am Monty Panesar, the survivor. PM says something about making it through different teams and I keep coming back despite being dropped several times.
Swanns death however converted me to a vanilla as I am now the lone spinner.

On the game now - I really dont like Stes character claim. All the guys have been players so it doesnt make sense for him to be a coach. Its a very smart claim if you are mafia because that explain why you havent and will not die. And we know for a fact that the mafia hasnt even tried to kill him (otherwise there would be a no death night). Come to think of it, Ste has also initiated a few discussions, then seems to withdraw, possibly to avoid attention being diverted back to him - which can also be considered mafia-like.

Lynch: Ste for pressure purposes although I am waiting for RPKHRs claim.

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Seeing as I havent discussed the two cop - one tracker theory. I stand with Aditya with this one. It just seems very pro town move to have all three in the game.
However, we must also consider the fact that we have literally no information from PD and that one of the cops may be naive, which sort of negates having two genuine cops.

Think the way to go is wait for RPHKRs RC and see where that leads us.

 

[barmyarmy]

@BKB - Considering the BD and SK are dead and sedition died at night it stands to reason that he would be town.

I guess that being converted to town is possible seeing as KP was converted by the psychiatrist. I can see why Varun couldn't be bothered playing as survivor after last time!