Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[BKB1991]

Lol were you talking at me, or pointing out an observation?

Also have any of the cops found any one whos given them a mafia result?

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Seems kinda obvious question but still checking my facts

 

[barmyarmy]

Lol were you talking at me, or pointing out an observation?

Also have any of the cops found any one whos given them a mafia result?

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Seems kinda obvious question but still checking my facts

I was answering your question about if sedition might have been mafia.
We've both had all town results so far. Mine are sedition, abhas and User.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Lynch: Ste for pressure purposes although I am waiting for RPKHRs claim.

throwing another lynch on me for pressure purposes doesn't really make sense. I've already claimed and tried to explain. Any more pressure on me isn't going to really change anything for me. With one lynch already and user and colin voicing doubts another lynch takes me pretty close to being hammered. presumably there are two or three mafia. if it's three then they could already take me out now, if it's two they are close. And obviously the mafia know my claim is genuine so would definitely hammer if they had the chance seeing as they can't nightkill me.

By all means lynch away if you think i am scum and want to lynch me, but don't claim it's for pressure reasons when it really isn't.

 

[barmyarmy]

I make that 3 on User (with the DV), 2 on Ste and 1 on RPHKR. 5 to lynch.

I repeat what I said before, and what ste just said, about being careful although at this point anyone who came in and hammered quickly would clearly be first for the chop tomorrow!

Hopefully RPHKR can get on soon and claim.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

I make that 3 on User (with the DV), 2 on Ste and 1 on RPHKR. 5 to lynch.

I repeat what I said before, and what ste just said, about being careful although at this point anyone who came in and hammered quickly would clearly be first for the chop tomorrow!

Hopefully RPHKR can get on soon and claim.

yeh i think i'll unlynch user actually, just in case. I still think there is a solid chance he is mafia though


unlynch user

 

[BKB1991]

Well in terms of pressuring you - I am looking for your reasons to defend yourself based on your game play or your accusations that these are more viable lynch candidates. I feel your claim is quite convenient in the circumstances. Do not forget that I have defended you in the past (I think when you pointed out at Smurf was it?) so I just need some more evidence from your game play to make me think otherwise.

 

[RPHKR]

It's time for me to claim now. I'm Ian Bell - the doctor.
My PM says that I've saved the team on many occasions with my hundreds which gives me the protective ability.

Last night I was unsure whom to protect. I protected treva as he was the confirmed townie and a double-voter too.

Night 1 - Protect barmyarmy - Colin was the most active and a possible night 1 candidate to be killed.

Night 2 - Protect Papa_Smurf(blocked) - His claim was solid and noone counter-claimed it. I reckon, he was the only town power role claimed that time.

Night 3 - Protect Sedition - Sedition was giving town vibes for me and his aggression hinted the possibility of town power role

Night 4 - Protect treva

I'm not satisfied with the claim of Ste, if he was the bullet-proof, his play should have been different. With masons, a busdriver, 2 cops, tracker and a doctor, his role doesn't suit.

 

[barmyarmy]

Sedition - ?: Andrew Strauss
RPHKR - Doctor: Ian Bell
BKBv2 - Survivor/Vanilla: Monty Panesar
Ste - Bulletproof: Andy Flower
Thedon - Cop: NotW
Barmyarmy - Cop: Paul Collingwood
Zhuorb - Psychiatrist: Matt Prior
User - Tracker: Stuart Broad
Treva - Double voter: Alastair Cook
Smurf - Roleblocker: Jonathan Trott
Aditya - Mason: Jimmy Anderson
Manly - Mason: Graeme Swann
Abhas - Busdriver?: Michael Vaughan
BKB - SK: Kevin Pietersen

Pretty close to that. Maybe we have 2 cops and no masons if Aditya can't explore a different angle at some point

I've updated sedition's post now that everyone has claimed. I'd like to hear User's thoughts at this point.

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In terms of Strauss's role maybe priest or something. Nice guy, well respected etc. As I said looks very likely he was town.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Colin, as far as my thoughts go, I really don't know now tbh with all these claims. I am confused as every claim seems good enough. Ian Bell as a doc sounds really fine. And, I think Smurf was actually town as I was blocked yesterday isn't it? Or, maybe I wasn't able to use my role because Ste had no role? If that's the case then he can be the mafia RB still. What role could Strauss be? With everyone having some sort of role, I think Sedition had one too. I still feel the claims of Ste and theDon are most suspicious of all.

theDon because of there being another cop and all other claims being players. Ste, I'm suspicious of his role claim. Bullet proof is alright but, in a game with so many roles, I don't think it is possible. Overall, I don't know what to do.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

well I can't really say much more i don't think, at least not without some more clear cut questions being asked of me. I've explained why i took my approach and people not believing it and citing things like "evidence from my gameplay" and "play should have been different" aren't really criticisms or questions i can actually respond to further.

The point that the claim is uncertain because of how many power roles are out is a bit flawed and is seemingly being leveled simply because i have made it later than the others. I'm not going to claim early and make it easier for the mafia to get a key night kill (in terms of roles), and it seems far more likely that one of the investigative roles is lying as there are a lot of them. If i was lying i'd have claimed a vanilla towney just because of how many roles where already out there.

 

[treva]

I'm also not convinced about the character claim. Everyone else has claimed a current player or ex-captain and you claim the coach. Seems like you might have thought it was safer than risking a player.

TheDon claimed 'news of the world reporter'.

I am still not convinced by these cop/tracker claims at all. One of you guys is definitely lying as I see it. I'm also convinced all mafia members are still alive. Is there any chance we could have a list of what the trackers/cops have had as investigation results put in one post? Or at least put on the same page?

 

[Gaurav_7]

Mine results -

Tracked Varun/BKBv2 N1 - Found User around Varun (Hence, I knew there was a BD)
Tracked Colin N2 - Found Colin around Abhas
Tracked Smurf N3 - Found Smurf around no one
Tracked Ste N4 - Unable to use my role

Colin's results -

Night 1: Investigated Sedition (blocked)
Night 2: Investigated Abhas (town)
Night 3: Investigated Sedition (town)
Night 4: Investigated User (town)

Don's results -

Night 1: Investigated Abhas (town)
Night 2: Investigated Sedition (town)
Night 3: Investigated Smurf (Unsuccessful)
Night 4: Investigated Ste (town)

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Also, just to quote Smurf's post for people who are saying Smurf was town so User is mafia.

My comments will be somewhat valuable in a few minutes when PD reveals I was telling the truth.

I'm still 100% certain thedon is mafia. Especially after his claim.
Not sure what to make of User's claim, but from the looks of it sounds solid. Poor gameplay from him then cos the way he went after me and the way he initially claimed had scum written all over it.

To defend myself as to why I went straight after him, remember he posted a lie about blocking Don? I found him around no one.

 

[barmyarmy]

I think I'd be most confident going after Ste at this point. User has looked town to me throughout most the game.

 

[treva]

The only thing I'm going to say about this is that with all the claims being 'genuine' I'm going to try and pull out the occasional theory.

The reason I am not going to count either of you two out (User and Colin) is because, if you are both mafia, claiming these roles can easily ensure you both look pro-town. User posts his results first, claims to know there was a busdriver only once the thought of busdriver is mentioned during Abhas' death, and also says Colin was around Abhas on a certain night. Then Colin comes in and posts his results afterwards, confirming what User has said on that particular night.

It would be an excellent cocoon to keep you both out of sight from being targeted by a lynch. What makes me believe it even more is that we know several people have to be lying and they are undoubtedly going to work together in order to try and eliminate themselves from pressure as well as force others to be put under the spotlight.

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To add to that, Colin then says User is town as well as all his other results. This is perfect because alignment is not shown on death, and even if it was, he could claim naive cop.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Yeah, yeah. We would make it so obvious, isn't it?

Also, let me tell you I'm not really absolutely sure on Colin too. Just that I found him around Abhas at N2 is what makes me believe he's town. It would be pretty gutsy as well as risky for him to put his actions out for that night if he was mafia. I agree with your theory, from your POV it looks absolutely fine and you have every reason to be suspicious of but, you ask yourself would me and Colin really make it look so straightforward if we were mafia? I don't think so. I am not defending him here. I just want you guys to know that I am town and the tracker ffs.

Also, about that former captain killing Abhas thing. Paul Collingwood (Colin) and Andrew Strauss (Sedition) fits that thing perfectly...