Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[treva]

Who says it looks so straight forward? Nobody else has said anything about it thus far. I don't recollate anyone linking any two players as working together, apart from Aditya saying Sedition and Colin were partners.

Just throwing possible ideas out here. We can't continue to believe what everyone is saying, there have to be holes somewhere.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Just throwing possible ideas out here. We can't continue to believe what everyone is saying, there have to be holes somewhere.

I get that. I think for the holes we need to look at the weakest claims. For me, Ste and Don are the ones with weakest claims. I can understand Ste's frustration though if he's saying the truth. But, the lack of any info from the mod plus some bastard mod hasn't really helped the case.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

The only thing I'm going to say about this is that with all the claims being 'genuine' I'm going to try and pull out the occasional theory.

The reason I am not going to count either of you two out (User and Colin) is because, if you are both mafia, claiming these roles can easily ensure you both look pro-town. User posts his results first, claims to know there was a busdriver only once the thought of busdriver is mentioned during Abhas' death, and also says Colin was around Abhas on a certain night. Then Colin comes in and posts his results afterwards, confirming what User has said on that particular night.

It would be an excellent cocoon to keep you both out of sight from being targeted by a lynch. What makes me believe it even more is that we know several people have to be lying and they are undoubtedly going to work together in order to try and eliminate themselves from pressure as well as force others to be put under the spotlight.

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To add to that, Colin then says User is town as well as all his other results. This is perfect because alignment is not shown on death, and even if it was, he could claim naive cop.

I've been thinking this too after re-rading the relevant parts in the build up to the smurf lynch (off which i was perhaps foolish enough to put the first lynch in)

Moreover everyone seems to look up to colin as a really good player/mafia game guru of sorts. It seems somewhat negligent off the mafia to leave it so many nights before trying to take him out.

Not sure how seriously to take thedon's search on me. i was suspicious of him and user when smurf got lynched. if he was mafia he'd know i was town anyway it'd be a reasonable idea to throw a false positive (albeit a correct one) on me to get me onside. the double vote on smurf cleared you his only other critic.

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I get that. I think for the holes we need to look at the weakest claims. For me, Ste and Don are the ones with weakest claims. I can understand Ste's frustration though if he's saying the truth. But, the lack of any info from the mod plus some bastard mod hasn't really helped the case.

it isn't so much frustration, it's just that i have little more to say. there aren't any questions to answer and i've given all the explanation i can. I guess all that's left is for me to try and help you catch the mafia with my last few dying posts.

Once you see my character claim there will be little doubt that i'm not pro town, as it'd be seriously flawed to think that flower is anti-town. I can almost see the reasoning behind trott being doubted as he has a somewhat selfish reputation as a player although it seems unlikely he isn't town as he is fairly popular, so i'm going to take smurf's last few posts as genuine, as i hope mine will be if i do not make it.

 

[thedon5]

User, you realise Colin could very well be the prostitute?

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Also I'm sick of people going after me just because of my claim. I can't claim a false role! I am claiming the character I was given.

Remember, this game is about gameplay, and not claims. You are going to try to lynch me off just because of my claim? It's certainly looking that way now.

I really have no idea where to go, but if everyone is so adamant that we can't have three investigative roles, then I'll definitely go after Colin before User.

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@Ste: If you think Smurf was telling the truth, User was most likely lying that means. Go have a look back at his results on Smurf.

Anyway, this is just a brief reply to all that has gone on since I last got off, I'll post more later.

 

[barmyarmy]

To add to that, Colin then says User is town as well as all his other results. This is perfect because alignment is not shown on death, and even if it was, he could claim naive cop.

What I actually said was that I wasn't reading too much into the result as he could be GF or I could be naive.
I said I was going to assess it instead based on his gameplay.

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It seems somewhat negligent off the mafia to leave it so many nights before trying to take him out.

As I thought I made clear when I was responding to sedition, because of my role I decided that staying alive was the most important thing and deliberately offered less mafia-radar than normal. If it made the mafia think they could get me lynched rather than night-killing me it worked and, on that basis, I'm probably still safe as they would target the "confirmed" town players instead like RPHKR, Treva, Zhuorb and Aditya.

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Just throwing possible ideas out here. We can't continue to believe what everyone is saying, there have to be holes somewhere.

Do you think Smurf was town or mafia? That kind of governs our next lynch target to my mind.

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User, you realise Colin could very well be the prostitute?

Well I can't be the prostitute and the former captain bludgeoning people to death. Also Abhas wasn't blocked that night, RPHKR was. I was seen around Abhas.

 

[treva]

Do you think Smurf was town or mafia? That kind of governs our next lynch target to my mind.

I have said it ever since User claimed, I think Smurf was town. I had a lot of suspicions leading up to his lynch but I actually believed he was town come the final page or two of his demise.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

I have said it ever since User claimed, I think Smurf was town. I had a lot of suspicions leading up to his lynch but I actually believed he was town come the final page or two of his demise.

pretty much this.

I've found him suspicious from day one and didn't really buy his claim. he still may not have been role-blocker either and just said it try and stay in the game, but i can't really see how trott would be mafia given the other disclosed characters.

 

[treva]

Following my theory for a second, if two of the current investigative claims are actually mafia, could it actually be that Smurf had an investigative sort of role? If he revealed he was the cop he would immediately be eliminated by the mafia that early in the game. Obviously with no write up over his death we didn't even get a chance to pick anything up, as with the death of Sedition.

 

[thedon5]

He knew where he worked was a joke, but it was his chance. He only hoped he could find the truth. He just had to find some promising leads.

Forgot about this. From the day 3 write-up. This is proof I am telling the truth, no other claim fits this and it clearly indicates me as the cop from the "promising leads". Paul Collingwood doesn't know that his work is a joke. Clear indication that if someone is lying, it is Colin. Also, he was under no real pressure to claim, yet seemed to come out with it anyway. Maybe to throw more pressure on me as some people were gunning for a lynch on me? Fact is if we go by this theory that there can't be three investigative roles, then Colin is definitely the first we go after.

Also, I realise PD was busy from the sounds of his post, but another thing to consider for me is that maybe PD didn't make a write-up for a reason, as maybe he's outed every role in the game in all the previous write-ups?

@Colin: Fair point, was just throwing that out there in a brief skim through the previous pages.

 

[barmyarmy]

That's the reason I claimed rather than counter-claimed. If I had thought you were mafia I would have been gunning for your lynch and I haven't been. That said PD has put red herrings into the write-ups in the past and also supported mafia claims as well. I don't quite get the "joke" part. Why is NOTW a joke? (any more than Paul Collingwood).
Could that be referring to User?

The fact I was under no pressure to claim ought to suggest that I'm town not mafia. Why would I claim cop under no pressure if I was mafia?

Could use some input from Aditya and Zhuorb here. Since being "confirmed" they've barely contributed to the game.

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Also just as a final point I'd been soft claiming cop since day 1.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

[/COLOR]Also just as a final point I'd been soft claiming cop since day 1.

what does soft claiming mean? if it's subtly hinting then that doesn't make sense. as established you would be a prime mafia target. hinting at being cop would be ridiculous in case mafia worked it out or guessed, as even a slight hunch early on that you were cop would see them hammer asap.

 

[RPHKR]

The tonight's actions are crucial at this stage. We must get a mafia lynched as much as possible. At this stage, I'm pretty unsure on whom to protect.

And what was the role of Papa really?

 

[thedon5]

News of the World is a joke since it makes up stories. It said something along those lines in my role PM. Hell, News of the World doesn't even exist any more. Even more of a joke.

Anyway, that was more to show the guys seemingly looking to gun for a lynch on me like Aditya and treva that I'm telling the truth.

 

[BKB1991]

Wow I am kinda lost here. I do think one of the three are possibly lying, but I genuinely cannot find out who. We really didnt make lynches in this game and thats coming to hurt us in this game.

And yes I agree with someone above who said Zhuorb and Aditya should have been helping more. Its just ridiculous how these guys are simply 'saved' by their role/character claims.

 

[barmyarmy]

@ste - soft claiming means hinting it but not making it confirmed enough for you to be a target. I wasn't unhappy to have Aditya and Sedition FOSing me as it improved my chances of staying alive. The point I would make is that I have played like the cop throughout the game so it clearly wasn't a made up in response to Don claim.

If we're not careful we're going to run out of time in the day here. Really need Aditya and Zhuorb to show some interest.