Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[thedon5]

Last thing I've realised before I go to bed. These are all the results so far as posted by User.

User results -

Tracked Varun/BKBv2 N1 - Found User around Varun (Hence, I knew there was a BD)
Tracked Colin N2 - Found Colin around Abhas
Tracked Smurf N3 - Found Smurf around no one
Tracked Ste N4 - Unable to use my role

Colin's results -

Night 1: Investigated Sedition (blocked)
Night 2: Investigated Abhas (town)
Night 3: Investigated Sedition (town)
Night 4: Investigated User (town)

Don's results -

Night 1: Investigated Abhas (town)
Night 2: Investigated Sedition (town)
Night 3: Investigated Smurf (Unsuccessful)
Night 4: Investigated Ste (town)

Now I'm far too tired to go back and check, but I remember User mentioning ALL of his results until AFTER I had posted mine. Colin posted his after mine as well.

One thing is common with both. First, user mentions the bus driver. He doesn't need to be the tracker to know this as it was mentioned in the write-up. The second one is to confirm Colin's claim of cop. The third one is to make Smurf seem as if he is lying. Colin's results are the similar to mine and he also makes sure he shows that User is town. Again, very easy results to lie about based on the information which has been divulged by the real cop so far. Sounds like it all could be a well orchestrated plan by two Mafia buddies. Especially when you consider both are good players, every chance this is a real possibility.

So, I am too tired to check, but I'll leave a FOS on it. FOS: barmyarmy, User2010. I'll check in the morning if no-one else does in the next 12 hours.

I wouldn't be against lynching either of them tbh, since I think we've come to the conclusion we have to make a lynch now. Colin maybe more than User.

 

[Aditya]

@Ste - That's what I'm saying. You're aggressive while lynching others but when we have pressured you, the defense hasn't been solid. I don't blame you, I understand this is your first game. Although, I don't know why but I consistently feel that you at times know too much about the game whereas sometimes don't. I get same kind of feeling for RPHKR, who at times has been magnificent with his analysis but at times, has been scummy.

I agree with Trev, to some extend. BKB, has been busy, understood. That's not the point to debate upon though, the point we need to debate upon is, has he or has he not looked pro-town in the posts he has made. I mentioned earlier too, he hasn't played like the BKB we know and that's something to worry upon.

@Thedon - I do get your point that none of us has given mafia vibes but that happens in mafia games. Mafia's do not always play poorly, they certainly haven't in this one. What you need to think about is, among the ones you feel have played suspicious, if any. Why do you think so and do you have any evidence at all to support your suspicion.

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Trev's point makes sense actually. If we lynch one of the cops and let's think that we do lynch the real cop, then we most certainly know who among the two is lying and we lynch the other during the next day phase. Now, this is where we need to be careful. Do we all, unanimously agree upon the fact that there is just one cop in this game. If yes, then this risk is indeed worth taking.

 

[treva]

Last thing I've realised before I go to bed. These are all the results so far as posted by User.

User results -

Tracked Varun/BKBv2 N1 - Found User around Varun (Hence, I knew there was a BD)
Tracked Colin N2 - Found Colin around Abhas
Tracked Smurf N3 - Found Smurf around no one
Tracked Ste N4 - Unable to use my role

Colin's results -

Night 1: Investigated Sedition (blocked)
Night 2: Investigated Abhas (town)
Night 3: Investigated Sedition (town)
Night 4: Investigated User (town)

Don's results -

Night 1: Investigated Abhas (town)
Night 2: Investigated Sedition (town)
Night 3: Investigated Smurf (Unsuccessful)
Night 4: Investigated Ste (town)

Now I'm far too tired to go back and check, but I remember User mentioning ALL of his results until AFTER I had posted mine. Colin posted his after mine as well.

One thing is common with both. First, user mentions the bus driver. He doesn't need to be the tracker to know this as it was mentioned in the write-up. The second one is to confirm Colin's claim of cop. The third one is to make Smurf seem as if he is lying. Colin's results are the similar to mine and he also makes sure he shows that User is town. Again, very easy results to lie about based on the information which has been divulged by the real cop so far. Sounds like it all could be a well orchestrated plan by two Mafia buddies. Especially when you consider both are good players, every chance this is a real possibility.

So, I am too tired to check, but I'll leave a FOS on it. FOS: barmyarmy, User2010. I'll check in the morning if no-one else does in the next 12 hours.

I wouldn't be against lynching either of them tbh, since I think we've come to the conclusion we have to make a lynch now. Colin maybe more than User.

That is exactly what I posted yesterday (real time). Think the best way forward right now is a lynch of one of these two, then re-assess on Day 6.

 

[BKB1991]

Raising points on my confusion? I think I have been pretty concise by my thoughts on who I think is mafia or not (right or wrong). Its only today, where there are three investigative roles all looking as clear and guilty as the other and add to that Stes role/character claim, where I have been genuinely "confused" on whom to go for.

I do think one of the three is lying, but is it worth the punt in losing possibly one of the three that was indeed a town? Add to that the possibility that they are our only hope in finding the mafia cause we have been close to nothing atm. That is why I have lynched Ste, because I just feel his claim stands out as something you dont expect in a normal mafia game.

On the other hand I have also posted why there is a possibility that all these three investigative roles exist. Look at the info we are getting at nights. Its not enough at all and by looking at the game situation it is right to say the mafia has an upper hand. Hence there is a slim, but an unlikely possibility that none of them are lying. It could also be that one of the cop is naive considering both cops have found nothing. I am also hoping that these three use their roles on each other tonight and hopefully get something concrete.

Since we cannot afford a no lynch today I have maintained my stance on getting Ste, because atm I think its less risky option. I am though open to lynching someone else provided we have some sort of conclusive theory.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Although, I don't know why but I consistently feel that you at times know too much about the game whereas sometimes don't.

that will be because i have played irc werewolf games, so while the specifics of various roles and terms were lost on me some of the game-play mechanics and strategies were similar (although different to the nature of 5-10 minute live chat days to 48 hour forum days)

 

[RPHKR]

@Treva - Agree with the points you mentioned. Are you willing to take the gamble?
I want the confirmed townies to contribute for the sake of joining the game.

@BKB - three investigation roles, masons, BD, doctor, psychiatrist, double-voter? If it does, then it's heavily imbalanced and an anti-mafia game really.

I'm pretty sure one of the investigation role is lying unless it is bastard modding. It is lucid that everyone are greatly confused. Ste's play and claim is the weakest so far, this is what I feel.

@Aditya - Whom do you think we should go for now?

 

[treva]

I am one hundred percent willing to risk it. Colin or User (or even Don), don't care, just think we need to take a punt to try and salvage this game.

 

[BKB1991]

Al right, lets say I follow you Treva. Who do you think looks the most scum and why?

 

[treva]

These have been my posts on Day 5 before today.

I believe Smurf was town and that User is mafia. No hesitation from me either.

Lynch: User

TheDon claimed 'news of the world reporter'.

I am still not convinced by these cop/tracker claims at all. One of you guys is definitely lying as I see it. I'm also convinced all mafia members are still alive. Is there any chance we could have a list of what the trackers/cops have had as investigation results put in one post? Or at least put on the same page?

The only thing I'm going to say about this is that with all the claims being 'genuine' I'm going to try and pull out the occasional theory.

The reason I am not going to count either of you two out (User and Colin) is because, if you are both mafia, claiming these roles can easily ensure you both look pro-town. User posts his results first, claims to know there was a busdriver only once the thought of busdriver is mentioned during Abhas' death, and also says Colin was around Abhas on a certain night. Then Colin comes in and posts his results afterwards, confirming what User has said on that particular night.

It would be an excellent cocoon to keep you both out of sight from being targeted by a lynch. What makes me believe it even more is that we know several people have to be lying and they are undoubtedly going to work together in order to try and eliminate themselves from pressure as well as force others to be put under the spotlight.

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To add to that, Colin then says User is town as well as all his other results. This is perfect because alignment is not shown on death, and even if it was, he could claim naive cop.

Who says it looks so straight forward? Nobody else has said anything about it thus far. I don't recollate anyone linking any two players as working together, apart from Aditya saying Sedition and Colin were partners.

Just throwing possible ideas out here. We can't continue to believe what everyone is saying, there have to be holes somewhere.

I have said it ever since User claimed, I think Smurf was town. I had a lot of suspicions leading up to his lynch but I actually believed he was town come the final page or two of his demise.

Following my theory for a second, if two of the current investigative claims are actually mafia, could it actually be that Smurf had an investigative sort of role? If he revealed he was the cop he would immediately be eliminated by the mafia that early in the game. Obviously with no write up over his death we didn't even get a chance to pick anything up, as with the death of Sedition.

It's not a point of following me, it's a point of coming together to get rid of one of them. As far as I see it it's the only logical thing to do. I'm happy switching my vote to Colin if people feel that he is more suspicious, but I'll equally keep it on User.

 

[RPHKR]

Lynch: User

I'm going for User in the three investigation roles. His claim was after someone who mentioned that he can be a 'tracker'. I believe that Smurf is town-aligned, hence he's the prime suspect for me in the three.

 

[Aditya]

@RPHKR - I've already posted who I feel we should go after. Either it's Ste or one among the three investigative roles.

@Trev - If we're indeed going with the investigative role thing, I'd rather prefer going after one of the cops. I still am finding it hard to believe that we can have 2 cops in one game, I'm more in favor of a tracker being there.

 

[barmyarmy]

No idea why Treva considers bulletproof to be a stronger claim than Cop(s) or tracker. As far as I can recall bulletproof (and beloved princess) has been the default mafia roleclaim in recent times.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Great. So you believe there are two cops but no tracker? Nice. Also, stop making up things that I claimed because someone suggested. Go back and read. And, I normally don't like to do this but, I think most of PD games have had a tracker before. I don't get how I am scum. I went for Smurf because he lied! Yes, he did! But, when he explained I was like okay. He was hiding something which only a mafia could do. How are people so sure he was town?

 

[barmyarmy]

As I've said a few times I reckon Smurf was mafia and you're town. Especially as his advice to the town if he was lynched was to go after User and Don...

 

[Gaurav_7]

Mine initial part of that post was for RPHKR..