South Africa in England July-Sept 2012

KP's priorities have just changed. He's no longer the young batsman with a point to prove, as his record has pretty much done that. He's a guy with a wife and a kid and who can blame him for wanting to spend time with them? If he can live the life he wants, just going off to play cricket for 12 weeks every year in the IPL and Australia etc, then who can blame him?

Perhaps it would be a loss to England now, but teams move on and no player is ever bigger than the nations cricket team. If KP wants to finish, then fair play to him, but we'll move on, we always do.
 
If KP moves on, so goes the X-factor in the England test team, which will have a massive effect on its progression in the future. Surely no England fan would seriously in any way accept that being the final outcome?

It would be one of the worst things in England's cricket history if we let him walk away over something so frivolous. The crux of this problem is that the ECB given its one of stronger financial boards in the world, have a reluctance to allow its best/contracted players to be part of these T20 leagues around the world.

They maybe right in principle, but this is what world cricket is about now unless the entire cricket globe can stand up to India/BCCI and control the amount of T20 Leagues in the world in the ridiculously crowded international schedule.


The ECB needs face this reality and make its priority negotiating with KP, any other approach would be ridiculous, especially one which see's him walk away.
 
If KP moves on, so goes the X-factor in the England test team, which will have a massive effect on its progression in the future. Surely no England fan would seriously in any way accept that being the final outcome?
I can't deny that he does bring the 'X-Factor' as you put it, but I also don't think there's a lack of aggressive middle order players in County cricket who could attempt to fill that void. Don't get me wrong, perhaps Pietersen is somewhat unique in English cricket in terms of the way he plays, but I don't think it's something that is crucial to the success of a Test match team. Plus, I do genuinely think there are guys in County cricket who can play aggressively and somewhat fill that role, who just need the chance.


It would be one of the worst things in England's cricket history if we let him walk away over something so frivolous. The crux of this problem is that the ECB given its one of stronger financial boards in the world, have a reluctance to allow its best/contracted players to be part of these T20 leagues around the world.

They maybe right in principle, but this is what world cricket is about now unless the entire cricket globe can stand up to India/BCCI and control the amount of T20 Leagues in the world in the ridiculously crowded international schedule.


The ECB needs face this reality and make its priority negotiating with KP, any other approach would be ridiculous, especially one which see's him walk away.

You're making it sound like we'd suddenly turn to rubbish if KP was no longer in the team. Yes, he's a decent Test match player, but he's not even the best batsman in the team, so I don't think it'd quite be the catastrophe you're making it out to be, even if it did make us less exciting to watch.

It seems to me though, that KP wants to pick and choose what games he plays. Now personally, I have no problem with that if it's a certain form of the game. I.e. if he wanted to quit Tests and just play T20s, that would be fine with me personally. But if he wants to play in the IPL every year and play Tests, then a conflict exists. If he's asking to miss certain Tests against the smaller sides that we play at the start of the summer, yet be allowed back in for the Ashes etc, then that to me is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to happen. He needs to commit to a form of the game and be available for all those games. If he can't, then as I said, I wish him well, say thank you for being a good player for us and he can go enjoy his life, while we bring in a talented player who would give anything to play for England.
 
You're making it sound like we'd suddenly turn to rubbish if KP was no longer in the team. Yes, he's a decent Test match player, but he's not even the best batsman in the team, so I don't think it'd quite be the catastrophe you're making it out to be, even if it did make us less exciting to watch.
Not the best bat? You'll have to sell that one.
 
Not the best bat? You'll have to sell that one.

Statistically, he's not the best batsman in the team.

It's even more pronounced over the last few years: Link

My main point is, it's not like he's the only decent batsman we have, we're not a one man team like we have been in the past.
 
I can't deny that he does bring the 'X-Factor' as you put it, but I also don't think there's a lack of aggressive middle order players in County cricket who could attempt to fill that void. Don't get me wrong, perhaps Pietersen is somewhat unique in English cricket in terms of the way he plays, but I don't think it's something that is crucial to the success of a Test match team. Plus, I do genuinely think there are guys in County cricket who can play aggressively and somewhat fill that role, who just need the chance.

As you said KP is unique to English cricket now and historically. Only Walter Hammond and Ted Dexter of all the great English batsmen has had special abilities as a batsman.

In county cricket the back-up batsmen really pushing for a place now are Compton and Hildreth, while Morgan and Bopara are outside options Compton or Hidreth on form would be solid replacement who could certainly score runs @ test level - but none have the ability to score hundreds like in the style and substance like KP did in this test and vs Sri Lanka last winter.

An England middle-order without KP, would look like the England middle-order of 1951-1958 when the team was # 1 without Denis Compton. No X-factor.




You're making it sound like we'd suddenly turn to rubbish if KP was no longer in the team. Yes, he's a decent Test match player, but he's not even the best batsman in the team, so I don't think it'd quite be the catastrophe you're making it out to be, even if it did make us less exciting to watch.


KP is the best batsman in England's team. Let not kid ourselves. This a man who style has being compared to the master blaster, King Viv Richards at his peak. He is the only batsman now who would come close to be considered for a place in an All-time England test XI. Cook, Trott and Bell would not by any stretch - regardless of the fact that are deemed to be more reliable and may have scored more runs in recent years than him.

As i stated above, i don't believe England would be collapse if we loose him. But the team would loose its flair/x-factor and be a boring team who wins.


It seems to me though, that KP wants to pick and choose what games he plays. Now personally, I have no problem with that if it's a certain form of the game. I.e. if he wanted to quit Tests and just play T20s, that would be fine with me personally. But if he wants to play in the IPL every year and play Tests, then a conflict exists. If he's asking to miss certain Tests against the smaller sides that we play at the start of the summer, yet be allowed back in for the Ashes etc, then that to me is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to happen. He needs to commit to a form of the game and be available for all those games. If he can't, then as I said, I wish him well, say thank you for being a good player for us and he can go enjoy his life, while we bring in a talented player who would give anything to play for England.

I don't see the big deal if KP wants to miss the NZ tests next year to play a full IPL before the Ashes. NZ probably won't be sending some its best players too - the series is likely to be watered down anyway - so let him go.

Wanting to miss that series doesn't show a lack of commitment to England. KP like Chris Gayle in the modern age of T20 leagues and massive bucks is one of the most sought after players and at his age, he is in his rights to recognize his value.

It's not KP fault that the ICC is broken and has a ridiculously packed international schedule, that is compounded by the fact that BCCI has manipulated them and created the IPL/Champions League to further cram the calendar.

KP and other players in his position can't be blamed for wanting to take the easy way out.

So essentially this thing is bigger than KP vs ECB, as the Chris Gayle situation was bigger than him vs WICB and Bond vs NZL vs ICL.

This is world cricket problem, that the best players in each nations most sought after T20 players will always have this problem, unless the ICC is becomes a proper governing body and stops getting bullied by the BCCI.
 
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I think to some extent he wants to manage his persistent back injuries and would like the option to see his family. I guess it's the interesting conundrum poised by central contracts. It's a good wage of course, but the older the player gets, the more restrained they are.
 
I don't see the big deal if KP wants to miss the NZ tests next year to play a full IPL before the Ashes. NZ probably won't be sending some its best players too - the series is likely to be watered down anyway - so let him go.

Wanting to miss that series doesn't show a lack of commitment to England. KP like Chris Gayle in the modern age of T20 leagues and massive bucks is one of the most sought after players and at his age, he is in his rights to recognize his value.
I'm not getting into some argument about how good KP is/was or whatever, but this bit I quoted is the crux of the matter.

Why should a player be allowed to choose the games that he plays? Is he essentially saying that this Test series isn't important enough for him to play in? If that's not a bad attitude, then I don't know what is. Commitment to the team is willing to play anytime that he is needed. Why should he be allowed to sack off and do what he wants, rather than play New Zealand, Bangladesh or whatever? That's a lack of respect to those teams and that form of the game in my book. Commitment to me is playing in every game for that form of the game, not deciding what is important enough for him to play in. Either he's in, or he's out, nothing in between.

As much as his ego would probably disagree, the England cricket team is bigger than Kevin Pietersen.
 
Strangely I'd always be tempted to drop KP for anything that isn't a big series anyway. He only ever seems to score runs in big series :p
 
I'm not getting into some argument about how good KP is/was or whatever, but this bit I quoted is the crux of the matter.

Why should a player be allowed to choose the games that he plays? Is he essentially saying that this Test series isn't important enough for him to play in? If that's not a bad attitude, then I don't know what is. Commitment to the team is willing to play anytime that he is needed. Why should he be allowed to sack off and do what he wants, rather than play New Zealand, Bangladesh or whatever? That's a lack of respect to those teams and that form of the game in my book. Commitment to me is playing in every game for that form of the game, not deciding what is important enough for him to play in. Either he's in, or he's out, nothing in between.

As much as his ego would probably disagree, the England cricket team is bigger than Kevin Pietersen.


The IPL vs NZ test series clash relates to what i said about the situation that current international players face given how the BCCI has manipulated the ICC by having such T20 leagues and crammed schedules. You have to look at it in a broader spectrum.

World cricket really should have a window for one T20 league (not necessarily the IPL in the current form, but this is what it is for now unless something drastic happens) so that all the best players in the world can go - earn their big bucks without controversy and worries about clashes with international assignments.

IPL clashes with bilateral series all the time since it came into existence. Sunil Narine and Marlon Samules and Andre Russell recently missed a BIG home series for the West Indies vs Australia to take up T20 deals in the IPL. Windies accepted that and played the series without them. Was that a lack of respect towards Australia?

Recently they were back in top form to help the Windies pummel the Black Caps. Why can't a similar negotiation with KP happen next year when the Kiwis come???

KP is only contracted England player who is regularly sought after by these T20 leagues (Morgan also at times), which also shows his value compared to rest of the team (although Swann or Broad probably deserve IPL deals as well). That series won't affect his Ashes preparation - we have seen that this year either, since as KP himself said - he feels like he is in the form of his life.


Given the realities of world cricket, maybe the ECB may have to work out a special incremental contract with KP. Where if he wants to play these leagues at will like how Windies boys (Gayle, Pollard, Bravo) do without being centrally contracted by the ECB. He will certainly make enough money from IPL and Big Bash cricket at the back end of his career - even without a lucrative ECB Central contract.

The ECB can't fight KP down, they in light of this development probably need's to be more open minded with the rules of their contract system. What are they going to do if Morgan, Swann and Broad do what KP does soon are we going to banish them?. Swann has already defended KP England news: Graeme Swann defends Kevin Pietersen one-day retirement | Cricket News | Global | ESPN Cricinfo and has spoken openly about his disgust for the schedule too.

While English fans can't criticism him for a world cricket dilemma that is out of his control, since he clearly committed to England - but at the same time has the right to earn as much money as his wonderful talent deserves in this horrendous jam-packed cricket calendar.
 
Statistically, he's not the best batsman in the team.

It's even more pronounced over the last few years: Link

My main point is, it's not like he's the only decent batsman we have, we're not a one man team like we have been in the past.
Stats can't relate winning ability.
 
Its surprising to me how many england fans are saying (not really here but other forums) just get rid of him we have the depth anyway. If Pietersen didn't play this test England most likely would have lost. On a different note, when do you guys think Strauss will be given the boot? I never realised how poor hes been recently until I saw his average has dropped to 41 which is pretty poor given the current state of flat pitches and poor fast bowling.
 
I've been calling for him to be dropped for a while. His captaincy is uninspired when out in the field and as an opener he has been putting pressure on England for too long. He makes far too many 20-30 scores these days. The only runs he's really scored for England in a long time were ODI runs.
 
What's up with all KP stuff? Been busy..somebody link me a news article to read or something.
 

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