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Hello what noise you making. AHHHHHHHHHHH whatt???. Some of you posters on planetcricket seems to loose the plot over a simple cricket discussion so easily.
If i'm rehashing the same points, then you are doing a quite brilliant job or arguing your own points over again as well, failing to acknowledge to dynamics of world cricket with regards what players face with and crazily bashing KP for something totally out of his control.
You talking about Australia in the Steve Waugh era and team Unity? Clearly you never heard of stories of the problems had with Shane Warne behind the scenes.
Adam Gilchrist has stated many times since retirement that he and Warne weren't best of friends because of Warne style which was similar to KP - but for the sake of "TEAM UNITY" they worked together.
Plus their was nothing in Australia time when Warne was the peak of powers comparable to IPL/T20 explosion of the last 4 years. Who is the say if IPL/T20 leages came about in year 2002, that Warne wouldn't have cause the Australian cricket Board a similar dilemma. What would say then, Australian cricket would have been bigger than Warne and would have survived with Stuart MacGill and Brad Hogg as their main spinners??.
Other players like Swann, Morgan, Broad can certainly go down the route KP has gone. Which is why this KP situation basically means, the ECB needs to rethink how it approaches its contract system.
The current friction in the squad probably would not have been known if the ECB didn't leak these behind the scenes negotiations to the media. So the ECB needs blame for potentially breaking up the team harmony that has made this team successful in recent years.
This is suppose to be debate between KP people and ECB behind closed doors. The players, journalist and fans weren't even suppose to know about this!
But its seems you don't see any fault in how the ECB is approaching this and letting this leak, so this is fine then huhh??
look at this, you screaming like mother at their kids about me not having a "new argument" and you gone back talking about your view about talent in county game and whether they are good enough or not. Didn't you bring this up before sir???Nobody never said England is a one-man team, no-one ever said KP is the only reason ENG have been successful either. England certainly have talent who can come in and score runs at test level - but losing KP is equivalent to us Australia losing Warne in the history of batsmen. AUS in 125+ years of test cricket produced world-class leggies once every 30-40 years.
England don't produce flair batsmen like KP, Cook, Trott and Bell are modern equivalents of Hutton, Hobbs, Barrington, Gower. This significance you don't seem to appreciate and its a dynamic if lost, will certainly take the edge out of this team, as they continue to build in future as a test team.
You also clearly don't seem to accept that their is scheduling issue for England and world cricket. Players and KP clearly want to play for England, but this schedule is madness.
The advent of IPL and T20 leagues means the best players for ENG and the world will certainly seek to take up the big money that they can earn over a few weeks instead of flogging their bodies to death for 10 months of a year. This is not as you so disingenuously stated, that its a matter of player "only wanting to play when its suits them" - as if to say players don't care. It's the players just like us in our everyday jobs (presuming our qualifications merit it) want to work in jobs with the best buck at hours where we don't feel like we have being slaved.
What is best for English cricket is for the ECB to face up to reality that this KP scenario has brought and don't allow it loose KP and any other major player - by rethinking its contract system and amount of cricket England plays.
I can't believe you actually was in favour of the ECB making KP to retire from T20s as well after he left ODIs. I would love for you to expand on that now, since i'm appalled any England fan would want that for KP. But of course i can't be surprised since you believe KP is totally at fault.
Why you complaining about playing in the cold of May??. Up until the start of the 2000s decade test series never started in May. It always begun in June and more ridiculously the county season begins in April as well. It's the ECB that changed the schedule. Or was it arrogant KP???
England did not set any standard with regards to negotiating with players who have gotten big IPL contracts or contracted by them. So don't be puffing up your chest boasting over some delusional accomplishment England have done.
As i said before, which also you seem to either believe, accept or acknowledge - the reason England are now seeing this issue is because we pay players well. And in the past England players compared to less financially strong contries have readily turned down IPL deals - citing England as more important. However the dynamic is changing and you can bury your head in the sand about it until kingdom comes - but it won't change the reality.
What are you saying the WICB should have forced Sunil Narien to play against Australia and turn down a once in a lifetime USD700,000 contract?? Similarly with Samuels and Andre Russell???
