Was alarmed initially not to see him in your xi before I realized that you had named only 10. And yea , pretty much the same xi I would go with , except that I would gamble Dernbach in place of Onions.
But he does average only 22 in England...
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Was alarmed initially not to see him in your xi before I realized that you had named only 10. And yea , pretty much the same xi I would go with , except that I would gamble Dernbach in place of Onions.
But he does average only 22 in England...
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Exactly, criticism of KP form is all personal, not concrete cricketing reasons & its very distgusting.
Personally I think dropping Pietersen might actually benefit him and the team in the long run, averaging 40+ is nothing special
England batsmen form since 2005 Ashes
Strauss : 4386 runs @ 39.87
Cook : 5464 runs @ 49.23
Trott : 1850 runs @ 63.79
Pietersen : 5270 runs @ 47.48
Collingwood : 4153 runs @ 41.95
Bell : 3937 runs @ 46.32
Well whaddyaknow, averaging 40+ is pretty average
Even if you knock that down to since the 06/07 Ashes the averaging of 40+ is still pretty average.
He's scored SIX single figures scores in his last 12 innings, his 227 may be the simplistic argument for retention but that does account for 49% of his runs in those last 12 innings and there is clearly something wrong. Argue for sticking with batsmen through thick and thin, but then do equally apply that to when it's a Collingwood or Strauss or Bell etc Bit of a rest, and making KP realise he is droppable won't do him any harm.
Anyway back on (main) topic, England played too cautious. Some may see it as preserving a 1-0 lead going into the last Test, I say we were unlikely to lose that Test even with a little less caution and we threw away a chance at sealing the series win. We might be under the cosh final Test, not 150+ runs in front with wickets in hand and a chance of setting a target and winning
Overnight : ENG 149/2 (Cook 61no off 134, Pietersen 15no off 44)
Cook scored a further 45 runs off a further 97 balls, he was trundling along at one point adding 25 runs off his first 74 balls of the day. Bell's 57no off 43 balls couldn't compensate for the slow progress, overall 335/6 off 78 overs is reasonably fast, but in context it wasn't much quicker than their 1st innings.
And does it not say it all that KP and Trott shared five overs? Game written off comfortably, maybe England did believe they could repeat tricks from the last match. Problem is they didn't leave enough time to get rid of the top order, with Broad never really becoming a top bowler and relying on 55 wkts at 31.42 against Bangladesh, Pakistan, New Zealand and West Indies to keep his overall average at a mediocre 35.97. England should look to rest players more, I wonder if this whole central contracts business doesn't affect judgement on player performances. Come the next World Cup I'm guessing fatigue will be an excuse again, simple solution with Broad is that he hasn't proved himself good enough for Tests and so playing just ODIs should reduce his chances of fatigue. The contracts are surely designed to give control over the amount players' play, not so England can just overuse them? Or perhaps the ECB only think young bowlers can be overbowled Funny how the most experienced current England bowler has injury problems, might that be because he plays Test after Test with little respite and ODIs inbetween.....................................?
Not to mention psychological wear and tear, why I further suggest the likes of KP need a break.
England batsmen form since 2005 Ashes
Strauss : 4386 runs @ 39.87
Cook : 5464 runs @ 49.23
Trott : 1850 runs @ 63.79
Pietersen : 5270 runs @ 47.48
Collingwood : 4153 runs @ 41.95
Bell : 3937 runs @ 46.32
Well whaddyaknow, averaging 40+ is pretty average
Even if you knock that down to since the 06/07 Ashes the averaging of 40+ is still pretty average.He's scored SIX single figures scores in his last 12 innings, his 227 may be the simplistic argument for retention but that does account for 49% of his runs in those last 12 innings and there is clearly something wrong. Argue for sticking with batsmen through thick and thin, but then do equally apply that to when it's a Collingwood or Strauss or Bell etc Bit of a rest, and making KP realise he is droppable won't do him any harm.
Anyway back on (main) topic, England played too cautious. Some may see it as preserving a 1-0 lead going into the last Test, I say we were unlikely to lose that Test even with a little less caution and we threw away a chance at sealing the series win. We might be under the cosh final Test, not 150+ runs in front with wickets in hand and a chance of setting a target and winning
Overnight : ENG 149/2 (Cook 61no off 134, Pietersen 15no off 44)
Cook scored a further 45 runs off a further 97 balls, he was trundling along at one point adding 25 runs off his first 74 balls of the day. Bell's 57no off 43 balls couldn't compensate for the slow progress, overall 335/6 off 78 overs is reasonably fast, but in context it wasn't much quicker than their 1st innings.
And does it not say it all that KP and Trott shared five overs? Game written off comfortably, maybe England did believe they could repeat tricks from the last match. Problem is they didn't leave enough time to get rid of the top order, with Broad never really becoming a top bowler and relying on 55 wkts at 31.42 against Bangladesh, Pakistan, New Zealand and West Indies to keep his overall average at a mediocre 35.97. England should look to rest players more, I wonder if this whole central contracts business doesn't affect judgement on player performances. Come the next World Cup I'm guessing fatigue will be an excuse again, simple solution with Broad is that he hasn't proved himself good enough for Tests and so playing just ODIs should reduce his chances of fatigue. The contracts are surely designed to give control over the amount players' play, not so England can just overuse them? Or perhaps the ECB only think young bowlers can be overbowled
Funny how the most experienced current England bowler has injury problems, might that be because he plays Test after Test with little respite and ODIs inbetween.....................................?Not to mention psychological wear and tear, why I further suggest the likes of KP need a break.
Owzat - One could argue that we've tried the dropping KP thing in the ODIs. Personally, he looked much better in his 72 and he should still be given the summer to score runs.
Didn't Sky show that he still averages ~40 against SLA's, hardly the massive problem some seem to think.
Didn't Sky show that he still averages ~40 against SLA's, hardly the massive problem some seem to think.
Themer
Chairman of Selectors
Special? No. An acceptable amount for a test batsmen to average? Yes.
He has an injury problem on the back of several weeks off, somewhat proves the opposite surely?
There's always two ways to go about it, play him through it or give him a break. I don't think anyone is suggesting he isn't good enough, or should be dropped permanently, but England batsmen do seem to rather be protected species. How long did it take before Collingwood went?
So we dropped Collingwood because.......................? Even if you only take his form post-Ashes 06/07 he averages 39.42 (with bowling and his fielding in his locker too)
Oh but it's Pietersen, like someone suggesting Gerrard could be sold it doesn't go down well with some.
I'd want to see a bit more detail than just what I call an "impact stat". He's bound to get some "free runs" against SLAs, where he doesn't get out to them, so it's a pointless statistic. He shouldn't be getting out to the species so often though. I'm more worried about Pietersen's form which is held together by his 227, 239 other runs in his other (last) 11 innings @ 21.73
But hey ho, if people want us to stick with the same players and not rest anyone ever then so be it
Really don't see how you can create that kind of cause and effect relationship. When fit he is playing cricket of one kind or another for England, touring or at home. He has weeks off and apparently that's the cause, does that mean every time he has weeks off he is injured, is that what you're saying?
Chewie
BCCI President
Didn't expect to see him back in a Sri Lankan squad. He's almost 42 years old. This will be very interesting.
What a stupid acronym
What a stupid acronym
Jayasuriya is retiring after the 1st ODI
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One last go for Jayasuriya.
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What do you guys think of this selection? I personally find it puzzling.
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