Tendulkar Retires from ODIs

[FAZ007]

^^ Seriously, bisecting and dissecting each word and sentence and taking it out of the context is just annoying

BTW Indian selectors should have the courage to drop Sachin from ODI but he does deserve a spot in Tests. If they dont have the courage then they themselves need to be dropped

 

[Rehan_24]

This too is simple. If they retired when they were still good enough for the team (not agreeing that they did), they were the ones being selfish!



What is that argument worth? Of course Australia have got or are going to get good again.



Dhoni has a right to his opinion, in fact I believe he has some say over selection, but him saying it doesn't make it so.

I don't like players being allowed to not field if they don't feel like it, but there's no penalty for doing so, so it continues to happen. It's not just Sachin that does it, so let's open that can of worms somewhere else.



But the real question is: did they retire when they were still good enough to be picked? If they did, then that (if anything) is the selfish decision. I have no problem with players deciding for their own reasons when they retire. The problem I have is with players being called selfish for not doing the selectors' jobs for them.

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This is completely wrong. The selectors retire you when there are six bats better than you. There will always be younger players, the question is whether they are better than [him] or not.



Well this is the pot calling the kettle black. You're fine with Sachin being called selfish unfairly and therefore rudely, but not with this? Anyway my main point is that staying on until the selectors tap you on the shoulder is not selfish.



Sick and pathetic of you to use that obscene version of Manjrekar's name.

This may or may not have happened. I'm not going there. What's your source? Their opinions, unless they're selectors, are not all that relevant anyway.


Not relevant as Sachin is performing.

Yeah Sachin is performing considering the performance against Bangladesh and Pakistan right? and what was before??? You know what, if you go to the ground yourself lets suppose as batsman and bowler and if selectors will give you 100 matches in a row you will definitely perform in 1 or 2 games. Even a little child can perform if he gets so many chances.

You are just trying to repeat the same points and couldn't answer a single reliable answer to my comments which are backed with source you can check the websites of the same country India.

Plus, India has great batting talent I am sure, there would be lots of batsmen back there in the domestic teams who must have potential to become like Sachin but the thing is that you cant get player like sachin straight away, when you give the chance to some good player, and consistent chances then he can get that status. If the selectors will go with the logic that they aren't getting a player better than Sachin (though its more a name right now than performance) then I think Sachin will play till the age of 60

There is no offense but atleast one should have courage to accept and reality. You can't milk the cow too much man.... Enough Milking give chance to some other so that he can become a star.

 

[6ry4nj]

Rehan, you should be aware that, the angrier you get, the less sense you make. I'm not sure you know whether you disagree with me or not.

These are the points I'm making:

1. Sachin is performing better than one could reasonably expect his replacement to perform.

Do you disagree with this? I can't tell. You seem to be saying they should pick someone worse, so that they can get much-needed on-the-job training, and then they have the potential to be as good as him.

Either way, we disagree on a matter of opinion, so there's no point in continuing.

2. It is never selfish for a player to keep playing until the selectors drop him.

You haven't addressed this point at all, so I suppose you agree.

As for:

There is no offense but atleast one should have courage to accept and reality.

I'm confident it is obvious to all how stupid this is. Not calling your courage (or intelligence) into question - just saying you would be wise not to try and make personal attacks.

 

[Rehan_24]

Rehan, you should be aware that, the angrier you get, the less sense you make. I'm not sure you know whether you disagree with me or not.

These are the points I'm making:

1. Sachin is performing better than one could reasonably expect his replacement to perform.

Do you disagree with this? I can't tell. You seem to be saying they should pick someone worse, so that they can get much-needed on-the-job training, and then they have the potential to be as good as him.

Either way, we disagree on a matter of opinion, so there's no point in continuing.

2. It is never unselfish for a player to keep playing until the selectors drop him.

You haven't addressed this point at all, so I suppose you agree.

As for:
I'm confident it is obvious to all how stupid this is. Not calling your courage (or intelligence) into question - just saying you would be wise not to try and make personal attacks.

lol..... trust me mate I aint angry infact I thought you took it a bit personal by using some words.

Anyhow, I think the difference of opinion will remain here and I respect that.

For Number 1 Point: I highly disagree mate, what Sachin is currently doing some other younger batsman can do it better at the moment, the selectors just have to take a bold and confident step.

For Number 2 Point: Indian Selectors can't have this courage, nor does Pakistani Selectors had that in case of some our former players. Sub-continent does have this sort of culture unfortunately.

 

[icyman]

This is completely wrong. The selectors retire you when there are six bats better than you. There will always be younger players, the question is whether they are better than [him] or not.

Not relevant as Sachin is performing.

Well, I agree with this first para of yours. The selectors will do so. However, they just don't seem to be able to go through the motions with Tendulkar. Now, I do not wish to bissect each and every star Indian player- but, Ganguly and Dravid were certainly booted off the team in a manner which could bring disgrace to such a great player. I shall not talk about Laxman,as he never got many chances. Mind you-this is all ODI we are talking about.

Secondly-Sachin is performing. Yes, partially.

Centuries against BD will not make the sane people believe that he is actually in form. In Tests, he is doing a decent job. In ODi's he simply cannot take the toll of the frenetic fast-paced cricket that we have.

As a well-wisher of the Indian team, I'd rather that he retires gracefully from ODI's now or the selectors do it for the country.

1. Sachin is performing better than one could reasonably expect his replacement to perform.

Do you disagree with this? I can't tell. You seem to be saying they should pick someone worse, so that they can get much-needed on-the-job training, and then they have the potential to be as good as him.

Either way, we disagree on a matter of opinion, so there's no point in continuing.

2. It is never unselfish for a player to keep playing until the selectors drop him.

You haven't addressed this point at all, so I suppose you agree.

As for:
I'm confident it is obvious to all how stupid this is. Not calling your courage (or intelligence) into question - just saying you would be wise not to try and make personal attacks.

Point Number 1: Have we nominated only one person to replace him ? Is it that Rohit Shamra is the next Tendulkar ? The answer is NO. It may well turn out that Manoj Tiwary or Ajinkya Rahane turns into the next great Indian batsman. But, are we giving them enough chances ? NO.

And that is the reason,why Sachin needs to go. Let the Replacements come and establish themselves. Build a team for the future. Sachin carrying on till 2014 and then announcing retirement will be bad- cause the team will have to search for a person who could do his bidding in 2015.

Secondly, I would actually like him to go out and bat there like he used to in 1998-1999. He has nothing to lose, so go and be a bit more aggresive instead of getting bogged down.

In the end- my personal opinion, he ought to go,atleast from ODIs.

 

[Rehan_24]

Most probably, he will play ODIS till he gets two more records i.e. If he does one more century it will be 50 Centuries in One Days and if we gets 4 more half centuries it will be 100 half centuries.... Lets see

 

[Valaskjalf]

I actually dont think any selector wants to be the one who drops tendulkar, becuase thats like taking away a religion from someone. People go nuts over the guy....dropping him will most likely lead to someone getting death threats - im not kidding!

I do think they should let him retire though, hes done really well and all that and its time for some new blood. Look at the bright side - the Indian pitches are so flat, there should be no reason for a new replacement to struggle at all.

 

[mrnarenkumar]

It is very hard thing for indian people to accept his retirement. Coming Nov-15 Sachin ready to set new record.

 

[SaiSrini]

It is very hard thing for indian people to accept his retirement. Coming Nov-15 Sachin ready to set new record.

Its not hard for Indian people to accept his retirement. Yes, his fans will find that day to be very tough, but there have been lot of calls recently asking for him to retire and make way for younger players. And these calls are coming from Indian people.

I am personally ready for that day, although I will feel highly emotional and turbulent within myself. But I can most definitely bear it.

 

[Gaurav_7]

He has already retired tbh. Picks and plays only those series which he feels like. That's hurting India now as they are not sure when and which players should be filled in for him and the players aren't really getting a long shot.

 

[Satan666]

As long as he's playing well, I don't see why he should retire.

If the selectors want to blood youngsters for 2015, it's up to them to drop Sachin.

Burden is on them, not on Sachin. While it would be admirable of Sachin to make life easier for the selectors by retiring from ODIs/saying he won't play the 2015 WC, if he doesn't then that's fine. He loves his cricket, he's playing well, he has full right to keep on playing.

Really, so you consider an average of 26 runs over the last year is good?

 

[Satan666]

Drop him! An average of 26 runs over the last year is disgusting! Yet people have the audacity to come on the board posting he is performing well, my godddd!

 

[Satan666]

He has already retired tbh. Picks and plays only those series which he feels like. That's hurting India now as they are not sure when and which players should be filled in for him and the players aren't really getting a long shot.

Exactly! Shows how selfish of a person he really is!

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Really, so you consider an average of 26 runs over the last year is good?

You quoted such an old post. zomg.

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums...r-sehwag-done-dusted-81972-2.html#post2400212

Sachin in the same time frame has played 21 Tests, and in 38 innings has scored 1696 runs at the much, much better average of 48.45. Below his career average? Yes, but still pretty good. He has 3 tons and 9 fifties, a 214 against Australia in India being one of them.

Playing away from home, Sachin averages more than twice what Sehwag has managed - 44.30 (22 innings, 2 tons, 4 fifties).

Although in 2012, Sachin's 9 innings brought him only 1 fifty and 245 runs at the average of 27.22.

Overall though, Sachin's doing more to justify his spot in the side with the bat than Sehwag is. He's actually doing pretty well. No reason for him to be dropped yet.

 

[icyman]

Time to re-ignite the post, eh ?