Warne-Muralidaran Trophy (Australia in Sri Lanka) Aug-Sep 2011

[War]

Although age is indeed a issue for Dussey, even if he totally fails in this series, for consistency reasons he would need to fail in another series before he is dumped from the ODI set-up. Given he has two good series (World Cup, home odis vs ENG) before now.

 

[angryangy]

I had a feeling our weakness against spin was being masked. Although it seems to be the guys batting at 6 and 7 more so than the top 5.

Haddin's time looks to be up and Smith needs to go back to the domestic scene and Dussey is probably done with too.

I don't think they looked weak against spin so much as the Australian spinners looked weak. It was a pitch where most of the batsmen needed to get in and both sides struggled once they started to lose wickets.

 

[cricket_icon]

I've never really got D Hussey's selection, couldn't Australia find someone younger who was just as good?

 

[aussie1st]

Given he has two good series (World Cup, home odis vs ENG) before now.

I don't know how you are including the WC, he only had 3 innings and only one was of note. Anyway for me it's about the future and we have enough experience in the side to move him along and his replacement in Ferguson/Marsh/Warner have played a few games already.

For the next match it's time to try Johnson up to 7 and Hastings in at 8 as Watson's bowling has been expensive of late.

 

[War]

I don't know how you are including the WC, he only had 3 innings and only one was of note. Anyway for me it's about the future and we have enough experience in the side to move him along and his replacement in Ferguson/Marsh/Warner have played a few games already.

For the next match it's time to try Johnson up to 7 and Hastings in at 8 as Watson's bowling has been expensive of late.

Why shouldn't his world cup performances be included just because he only batted three times?. What kind of logic is that?. The one innings of note was an important world-cup quarterfinal so what no thats irrelevant??

All this we need to move to the future is over-rated. Take it one series at the time, currently before this seires Dussey was one of the better performing ODI players and one bad series cant get him dropped. Especially considering that most recently Cam White was backed through bad form for about 4 series before he was dropped.

 

[aussie1st]

Why shouldn't his world cup performances be included just because he only batted three times?. What kind of logic is that?. The one innings of note was an important world-cup quarterfinal so what no thats irrelevant??

I never said don't include it but calling 1 good knock a good series is rubbish. He played one good series (England one) and one good knock at the WC.

All this we need to move to the future is over-rated. Take it one series at the time, currently before this seires Dussey was one of the better performing ODI players and one bad series cant get him dropped. Especially considering that most recently Cam White was backed through bad form for about 4 series before he was dropped.

I had him gone before this series so it had nothing to do with how he has gone this series, it's to do with looking to the future. There is no point arguing on this point, my view is looking to the future yours is taking it one step at a time.

 

[Rehan_24]

Australia loses..... I wonder what is the purpose of inducting Smith into the team? Neither He bowls good nor he is a good batsman..... Why is he in the team??? Has the talent gone somewhere????

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Australia loses..... I wonder what is the purpose of inducting Smith into the team? Neither He bowls good nor he is a good batsman..... Why is he in the team??? Has the talent gone somewhere????

Clarke wasn't as much use as he could have been. He's good in a low chase but leaves the team with a lot to make up in big chases and with the type of players we have coming in at 6/7 (really Johnson should be in before Dussey or Smith in big chases) we can't be expected to win these matches.

Smith is in no-man's land for this series. The skipper doesn't want to bowl him and he's not the type of batsmen who can come in late and play against spin bowling with any effectiveness.

He just seems like another player who hasn't improved under Nielsen. He can get in the queue really.

 

[sifter132]

I never said don't include it but calling 1 good knock a good series is rubbish. He played one good series (England one) and one good knock at the WC.

And to be fair to him, he's only had one innings this series too. It's just the T20 failures that are sticking in my mind.

Look he's worth a go for a while (especially if he's keeping White out...), but Dave Hussey looks to me like he'll be a Marcus North type, who'll have a really good game occasionally, but for most of the time he won't produce. Haven't really study his career to back that up, that's just the current pigeon hole I've got him in: talented, but not consistent.

The other factor I didn't mention, is that Dave can hit 6s. Ferguson doesn't really. Could be another reason why Dave will get a longer look - with no White, and no one trusting Smith, there needs to be a 6 hitter lower down somewhere.

Australia loses..... I wonder what is the purpose of inducting Smith into the team? Neither He bowls good nor he is a good batsman..... Why is he in the team??? Has the talent gone somewhere????

He's a free choice. Watson's brilliance would let Australia choose Julia Gillard at #7 and it wouldn't make much difference. I don't think Smith's the most productive way to use the #7, but I don't mind giving the kid a go since we don't really need anyone of value there - he's the 6th/7th best bowler and 7th best batsman in that spot. The best move the selectors could make is move Haddin to #7 and pick a proper opener. I'd be looking at Phil Hughes actually, might be a good way to get him some confidence against international quality opening bowlers.

 

[aussie1st]

Look he's worth a go for a while (especially if he's keeping White out...), but Dave Hussey looks to me like he'll be a Marcus North type, who'll have a really good game occasionally, but for most of the time he won't produce. Haven't really study his career to back that up, that's just the current pigeon hole I've got him in: talented, but not consistent.

We could probably stick with him for the time being, but he should be phased out as we don't want Dussey, Hussey and Ponting all retiring at the same point. Then you have Haddin who is also in the same ship, so we have to get this transition right else we could have 4 inexperienced youngsters coming into the side.

The other factor I didn't mention, is that Dave can hit 6s. Ferguson doesn't really. Could be another reason why Dave will get a longer look - with no White, and no one trusting Smith, there needs to be a 6 hitter lower down somewhere.

He can hit 6s however he's always been a guy that needs time to get in similar to White. Whereas an Afridi or Morkel have that ability to come in and connect. Ferguson would be good at 6 and if we are keeping Dussey then he can slot into 7. I'm hoping Maxwell can deliver this season as his spin and big hitting ability would be handy at 7. Christian will also be there abouts especially if he has another good season and by then we should have a new selection panel.

 

[sifter132]

Yeah, that's true about the retirements. It's a shame some of them didn't retire after the WC...

It's funny, but after the World Cup I don't think I'll really care about ODIs anymore for a couple of years. They'll be entertaining, but not meaningful to me. Sure you can play for a ranking, but Australia's already #1 - and that didn't mean much during the World Cup and it doesn't mean much now. If I were doing a mid-long term selection plan for the ODI team I'd be looking at guys who need development for Test cricket eg. Hughes, Smith, Ferguson, Marsh, Cummins, Pattinson, Lyon, Clarke's captaincy and pair them with guys who'll get bums on seats - quick bowlers and big hitting batsmen.

 

[aussie1st]

It's funny, but after the World Cup I don't think I'll really care about ODIs anymore for a couple of years. They'll be entertaining, but not meaningful to me.

It's definitely the same for me. Lyon is one who should have been in the ODI side to get some experience under his belt before the Test series. If the selectors are going to pick players with less than 5 FC games then the least they could do is give them some exposure to international level and this series was structured to take advantage of that.

 

[Aalay]

Australian selectors are crazy and Indian selectors are just trying to compete with them.

 

[aussie1st]

SL batting once again, will be a white wash if SL do likewise in the next match. Seems we have killed two birds with one stone by putting Marsh in for Smith which should mean the out of form Haddin is moved down the order.

 

[WORLD CHAMPIONS]

When it comes to review, never listen to Haddin he waste each reviews everytime