Warne-Muralidaran Trophy (Australia in Sri Lanka) Aug-Sep 2011

[aussie1st]

SL middle order once again been poor, sounds like they have lost their mind again and Doherty is the beneficiary. Bar a massive Aussie collapse the only thing to look forward to will be how Marsh goes.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

haha, would have been a fun finish if they nicked another one out and had a bash at the tail. shame prasanna never got another over.

still though, SL routed. this series is all over the place.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

SL middle order once again been poor, sounds like they have lost their mind again and Doherty is the beneficiary. Bar a massive Aussie collapse the only thing to look forward to will be how Marsh goes.

I've thought for a while that he might be a good bet in the sub-continent as he can play spin but he appeared so freaked out in the T20's I thought he'd lost it.

He looked good, used his feet and the crease nicely once he settled in.

Got to say after watching Dussey and Smith be so awful so regularly against spin, it was a relief to see someone another than the usual suspects look like they had an idea of what to do against the slow bowlers.

Our bowlers are really earning their keep in this series. MJ didn't take any wickets today but he was actually pretty good. Unheard of for him not to have bowled steaming piles of **** at least once in four games.

 

[aussie1st]

As the old saying goes, form is temporary, class is permanent. This puts Marsh in the box seat to take over the number 6 spot in Test cricket. Haddin seem to do better at 7, the big test will come when we need quick runs from him.

Seems we did our usual clueless display against the new spinner, should be right to go in the next match for Prasanna, well most of the batsmen anyway.

 

[sifter132]

It's definitely the same for me. Lyon is one who should have been in the ODI side to get some experience under his belt before the Test series. If the selectors are going to pick players with less than 5 FC games then the least they could do is give them some exposure to international level and this series was structured to take advantage of that.

Yeah that's a decent call, but I think Doherty has been one of the underrated differences between the World Cup team and this one. Krejza just didn't have it. Easy to say after Xavier's got 4, but he and Mitchell Johnson have done a much better job of controlling those middle overs compared to the World Cup.

SL batting once again, will be a white wash if SL do likewise in the next match. Seems we have killed two birds with one stone by putting Marsh in for Smith which should mean the out of form Haddin is moved down the order.

What a great week! Hilditch, Nielsen and probably Chappell disappear and they pick the side I thought was best w/Haddin at #7.

When it comes to review, never listen to Haddin he waste each reviews everytime

Indeed They need a ignore/mute button on Haddin when it comes to reviews. And then he spilled Mahela a couple of balls later...Not cool Brad.

 

[aussie1st]

Yeah that's a decent call, but I think Doherty has been one of the underrated differences between the World Cup team and this one. Krejza just didn't have it. Easy to say after Xavier's got 4, but he and Mitchell Johnson have done a much better job of controlling those middle overs compared to the World Cup.

Oh no question, I mentioned that after the WC not to mention before it too Communication is one of the big points from Argus review and it makes me wonder if the selectors knew Doherty would be fit for the WC likewise Hussey. Doherty ended up playing FC cricket for Tassie while the WC was on so clearly he was fit.

 

[ferg512]

Someone needs to sort that Angelo Mathews out, thinks hes playing a t20 or something the other game he got out trying to smash one over the top at 100-6 and it sounds like he did a similar thing in this game. I hate to think what will happen when Sanga and Jayawardene finish, SL could be minnows again for a while.

Glad that Lee got some wickets, he could be really useful for another year or so in the ODI team and Marsh must be pencilled in at 6 for tests now surely. Is there any warm up FC games or is it straight into the tests??

 

[aussie1st]

We have a SL board match before the 1st Test. Don't know how much bearing that will have on selection, we could well see a shoot out between Copeland v Siddle, Beer v Krejza and Khawaja v Marsh.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

I like Doherty in ODIs. Keeps a cool head and picks wickets when batsmen lose their mind; keeps it tight otherwise. Good stuff.

 

[War]

I never said don't include it but calling 1 good knock a good series is rubbish. He played one good series (England one) and one good knock at the WC.


I had him gone before this series so it had nothing to do with how he has gone this series, it's to do with looking to the future. There is no point arguing on this point, my view is looking to the future yours is taking it one step at a time.

Sadly your entire argument againts Dussey is based on the fact that you didnt want him in the team as far back as before the 2010/11 home ODIs vs ENG and the first sign of his struggling after performing sufficiently in that home ODIs vs ENG and WC and to call for his head...

 

[Biggy]

Far better line-up. I think Haddin at 7 is more effective. Smith's bowling isn't a loss either, will put more responsibility on Watson's bowling, and we still have Dussey and Clarke (needs to bowl more again imo) as back up spinners.

 

[aussie1st]

Sadly your entire argument againts Dussey is based on the fact that you didnt want him in the team as far back as before the 2010/11 home ODIs vs ENG and the first sign of his struggling after performing sufficiently in that home ODIs vs ENG and WC and to call for his head...

Clearly you didn't read my post. I clearly stated I wanted him gone after the WC aka long before this series even started. What he has done in this series has only strengthened that position. And your entire argument for Dussey is based on your love for him so what are you trying to get at? You are bias towards him, I am bias against, whats new?

 

[Num]

To put Dussey's performance into perspective, here are the stats for the most recent ten innings of Dussey and Hopes (before he got dropped):

Dussey: 296 runs, averaging 37.00 at a SR of 90.71
Hopes: 274 runs, averaging 34.25 at a SR of 114.16

Also, of those 10 innings, Hopes played 7 of those at #7, where he scored 247 runs, averaging 41.16 at a SR of 112.78.

I'm not necessarily saying Hopes should replace Dussey, but given Hopes got dropped as an allrounder for performing with the bat nearly as well as Dussey is at the moment as a specialist batsmen seems to suggest that Hopes was dropped unfairly and/or Dussey is being persisted with for too long.

 

[War]

Clearly you didn't read my post. I clearly stated I wanted him gone after the WC aka long before this series even started. What he has done in this series has only strengthened that position. And your entire argument for Dussey is based on your love for him so what are you trying to get at? You are bias towards him, I am bias against, whats new?

We both know long before Dussey was recalled in the ODI at home last season you didn't want him picked. He performed satisfactory in the home ODIs and in the world-cup and you after the WC?. So are you telling us you advocate the dropping of players when they are playing well then?.

I by no means have ever had any biasness towards Dussey. I support any player that i may believe has a legitimate cause to be picked based on form and other mitigating circumstances that selectors use to pick players in international cricket history. I along with the selectors saw a use for having Dussey in the ODI team last year en route to world cup as a batsman who could be a late order finisher and could contribute with overs of spin.

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To put Dussey's performance into perspective, here are the stats for the most recent ten innings of Dussey and Hopes (before he got dropped):

Dussey: 296 runs, averaging 37.00 at a SR of 90.71
Hopes: 274 runs, averaging 34.25 at a SR of 114.16

Also, of those 10 innings, Hopes played 7 of those at #7, where he scored 247 runs, averaging 41.16 at a SR of 112.78.

I'm not necessarily saying Hopes should replace Dussey, but given Hopes got dropped as an allrounder for performing with the bat nearly as well as Dussey is at the moment as a specialist batsmen seems to suggest that Hopes was dropped unfairly and/or Dussey is being persisted with for too long.

Are Australia a weaker ODI team for not having Hopes around?. I think we can conclusively say no. Hopes was dropped albeit harshly given the selectors felt they could get similar output from a younger all-rounder of similar quality in John Hastings.

Just like Ian Harvey before him, Hopes was a serviceable player, so when they reach a certain age, although its rough on them, they could get the axe for aforementioned reasons.

Dussey's situation is different. He was never a fixture until last November and although he is old, i think although he has failed in this ODI series, that after being solid in recent series, he needs to another series to redeem himself before is phased out of the ODI set-up totally.

 

[aussie1st]

I by no means have ever had any biasness towards Dussey. I support any player that i may believe has a legitimate cause to be picked based on form and other mitigating circumstances that selectors use to pick players in international cricket history. I along with the selectors saw a use for having Dussey in the ODI team last year en route to world cup as a batsman who could be a late order finisher and could contribute with overs of spin.

He was never picked on form so he never deserved to be called up in the first place. As stated in the Argus review, a player should be picked on form and a guy with a batting average of 20 in the domestic comp is not called form. Picking outside of form is the reason why we have the spin cycle mess.

We both know long before Dussey was recalled in the ODI at home last season you didn't want him picked. He performed satisfactory in the home ODIs and in the world-cup and you after the WC?. So are you telling us you advocate the dropping of players when they are playing well then?.

As you said he hasn't cemented himself in the side so he is expendable. We failed in the WC and there was no benefit what so ever in keeping Dussey in the side.

Are Australia a weaker ODI team for not having Hopes around?. I think we can conclusively say no. Hopes was dropped albeit harshly given the selectors felt they could get similar output from a younger all-rounder of similar quality in John Hastings.

Just like Ian Harvey before him, Hopes was a serviceable player, so when they reach a certain age, although its rough on them, they could get the axe for aforementioned reasons.

Dussey's situation is different. He was never a fixture until last November and although he is old, i think although he has failed in this ODI series, that after being solid in recent series, he needs to another series to redeem himself before is phased out of the ODI set-up totally.

All this coming from the guy that said preparing for the future is overrated? However you are more than happy to have Hopes and Harvey moved along? Dussey is no different no matter how you try and spin it. Replace Hopes with Dussey in your first two paragraphs and it still reads the same. We should never pick players to redeem themselves. It has to benefit the team which it clearly doesn't. Dussey is in the spot which is the breeding ground for youngsters, he will hardly get a bat as shown in this series where he has batted 2 times out of 4, of which only 1 time was he required to play a big knock. He bowls a few overs and might give a fielder a catch, the team says thanks and moves onto the next ODI. It has no benefit for the future of the team, his spot would be better used for a player that will be at the next WC.