Warne-Muralidaran Trophy (Australia in Sri Lanka) Aug-Sep 2011
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ferg512
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Yeah, thats what concerns me a bit, with some of the older players still hanging on in ODI cricket. There is enough good players there for Aussies to be the best in ODI cricket, guys like Ponting, the Husseys, Lee (although this is painful for me to say
) could do with going. Need to try and get the younger guys - Pattinson, Starc etc. in through the ODI team getting them some experience for when they do make the step up to test level.Ideally Dussey out now so Ferguson can get use to doing the Bevan/Hussey role. Hussey and Ponting can stay for another year to help the replacements settle in while also allowing the young batsmen another season to improve/impress before it's time for them to move on. Bowling wise, we have been known to rotate the quicks so not quite the same issue for Lee and Johnson/Bollinger will be around for the next WC. Ideally all 3 will retire from ODIs rather than being pushed out the door.
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Malinga was key. The Australian top five had provided a patchwork platform, but didn't give away clutches of wickets. Often it's possible for a good lower order to dig a little way out of trouble. However Malinga got the ball to dip in and that wrecked the tail.
Even then, it didn't seem impossible at the start of Sri Lanka's innings. Tharanga and Sangakkara were perhaps only beaten by a hint of extra bounce, but Pattinson was shaping the ball nicely when he humbled a somewhat imperious-looking Dilshan. However, Johnson's early spell was expensive and Pattinson was pulled after only four overs, where he could maybe have bowled three or four more overs while getting the ball to swing at pace. Hastings came on and also moved the ball, but he was a yard slower than Pattinson and his control was very poor initially. Therein, I suspect a trick was missed.
As the game went on, it didn't feel like it was merely a second string attack defending too few against top of the line batting; these things were obviously true; but more so it appeared that one side had applied themselves much better and made fewer mistakes. This was no more in evidence than in the 38th over, when Doherty made the worst hash of a serious run out chance you are ever likely to see.
Quite some credit has to be given to the way Silva played. His shuffles down the wicket were effective at frustrating decent deliveries and he seemed to have Doherty booked for a few slog sweeps from the outset. Jayawardene too looked dangerous simply though presence. Thanks to Dilshan and Silva, he didn't need to take risks and that intensified the need to dismiss him early.
Even then, it didn't seem impossible at the start of Sri Lanka's innings. Tharanga and Sangakkara were perhaps only beaten by a hint of extra bounce, but Pattinson was shaping the ball nicely when he humbled a somewhat imperious-looking Dilshan. However, Johnson's early spell was expensive and Pattinson was pulled after only four overs, where he could maybe have bowled three or four more overs while getting the ball to swing at pace. Hastings came on and also moved the ball, but he was a yard slower than Pattinson and his control was very poor initially. Therein, I suspect a trick was missed.
As the game went on, it didn't feel like it was merely a second string attack defending too few against top of the line batting; these things were obviously true; but more so it appeared that one side had applied themselves much better and made fewer mistakes. This was no more in evidence than in the 38th over, when Doherty made the worst hash of a serious run out chance you are ever likely to see.
Quite some credit has to be given to the way Silva played. His shuffles down the wicket were effective at frustrating decent deliveries and he seemed to have Doherty booked for a few slog sweeps from the outset. Jayawardene too looked dangerous simply though presence. Thanks to Dilshan and Silva, he didn't need to take risks and that intensified the need to dismiss him early.
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Do you know how many players dont get picked on form in international cricket history - but rather based on just the selectors (good selectors like the current England ones) just having an hunch/belief that the player has what it takes to cut it at the highest level?.
Look at the recent examples of Stuart Broad selection before the just concluded tests vs India. Almost every England fan and pundit figured he should not have played, but yet with the backing of the panel he rose to the occasion superbly.
Cricket is not black and white sport when it comes to selection. Although preferably you want to pick players on form 80+% of the time.
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Last i check regardless of the WC exit AUS have still been the best ODI team in the world and just one this ODI series. So quite clearly the ODI set-up is doing quite well.
Dussey may not have cemented his place in the ODI set-up the same way Watson is as a must pick obviously, but he has not failed in ODI series before this and deserves to pick for another ODI series, before any talk of axing him should be seriously considered.
aussie1st said:
Firstly i dont think planning for the future is over-rated is find that teams especially after every world-cup, going into knee-jerk reactions with the entire "rebuilding for the future" talk.
Secondly, why are be talking about the next world cup, in the same year the last world cup just ended?? haha
No team every seriously plans or can plan for the next world cup 4 years out. That is not me trying to spin anything, that just how it has happened in recent cricket history.
When England lost an ODI series in South Africa 99/2000 they dropped Alec Stewart saying he would not be present in the 2003 world cup. Yet 4 years later he was integral member of that side. This is not to say Dussey will be around in 2015 - but it just goes to show how dumb it is to plan for a world -cup 4 years out.
Since in 2014 some 19 year old star could appear on the scene and break into the side and just maybe an 35+ year old player also could still be around.
Selectors always as aforementioned pick players outside the traditional norms of "form". Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't - but their was much logic behind selecting Dussey last year for the world cup in sub-continent conditions.
Did dropping Harvey for Watson back in 2004 affect Australia's preparation for the 2004 and 2006 champions trophy and world cup 2007?. Last i checked Australia won 2 out of 3 events without Harvey.
So far has Hastings looked out of place as Hopes replacement in the last 6 months?
Which is all the more reason to get some new blood into a winning setup. Again what benefit is there in picking Dussey? Ponting and Hussey already provide the experience factor.
Show me one player that the English selectors picked where that player had a batting average of 20 in that season.
He was in the English lineup already so they are two separate cases. That is more comparable to say Johnson.
http://www.planetcricket.org/forums...gland-flower-aiming-2015-world-cup-75658.html
So much for no team planning towards the 2015 WC huh? You are kidding yourself if you think teams aren't planning for it. ODI cricket is all about the WC, all the ODI series we play are in build up for that. While teams may not be shedding their old fellas just yet, they most certainly have a timeframe for when they want to do so.
Where did I say I was arguing with those points? Heck they are the reasons for me dropping Dussey.
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Malinga gets yet another hat trick. He will be missed in the tests.
So a question to all the Aussies, sorry if it's already been asked but I haven't gone through the thread. What do u all think of the Argus review??
Ponting basically thinks its a load of waffle.
So a question to all the Aussies, sorry if it's already been asked but I haven't gone through the thread
. What do u all think of the Argus review??Ponting basically thinks its a load of waffle.
Our side for the tour game.
MJ Clarke*, SE Marsh, MA Beer, TA Copeland, BJ Haddin?, RJ Harris, PJ Hughes, MEK Hussey, PM Siddle, UT Khawaja, NM Lyon
Pretty much what I expected them to run with, how they will lineup batting wise will be interesting.
MJ Clarke*, SE Marsh, MA Beer, TA Copeland, BJ Haddin?, RJ Harris, PJ Hughes, MEK Hussey, PM Siddle, UT Khawaja, NM Lyon
Pretty much what I expected them to run with, how they will lineup batting wise will be interesting.
ferg512
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Yeah, probably the right side to go with really. So I guess it looks as though Marsh will open?? Or maybe Khawaja..
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