West Indies in Australia

[langerrox]

Hey man, don't get me wrong, I believe alot of players deserve a place in the Aussie 11, and defiently Hussey. But it's time we look towards the future, and when we introduce these younger players we still need the support of the experienced players. It's just so hard to drop anyone from the team at the moment, but the selectors need to stamp there foot down and make a decision, get a stable 9 players, and try blood 2 young ones over summer, but what 2 players will go? It'll have to be 3 players gone if hussey comes into the team. We need atleast to try blood a batsman and bowler, we have Tait to come back in 3 months and we need to focus on him a bit, but who else can we blood as a bowler? As for a young batter we have a long list to choose from, very long, but in my opinion Jaques is the way to go, he has all the class needed to a attacking opener.

we have tried clarke, agaisnt quality pace bowling he fails, NZ and IND dont have quality pace bowling and clarke likes spinners, which he flogged around in india. how long are we going to keep 'testing him' he needs to stay down a level and work on his batting, why not give more than 1 player a shot instead of clarke all the time because hodge could come out and make 200 on debut so could hussey, we cant be stuck with clarke failing and call it 'new blood in the team' let some quality blood come in, as for the gilly arguement he keeps, and is the best in the world with the gloves so if he fails with the bat he normaly does decent with the gloves, with clarke he fails with bat, he fields good but thats all

 

[ajay2k5]

we have tried clarke, agaisnt quality pace bowling he fails, NZ and IND dont have quality pace bowling and clarke likes spinners, which he flogged around in india. how long are we going to keep 'testing him' he needs to stay down a level and work on his batting, why not give more than 1 player a shot instead of clarke all the time because hodge could come out and make 200 on debut so could hussey, we cant be stuck with clarke failing and call it 'new blood in the team' let some quality blood come in, as for the gilly arguement he keeps, and is the best in the world with the gloves so if he fails with the bat he normaly does decent with the gloves, with clarke he fails with bat, he fields good but thats all

Well firstly I never mentioned clarke, and even though he ain't doing good in the Australian team he needs to stay in there, and have you seen his latest scores for NSW? He scored 178 against reasonable bowling, I think his problems with being in the Australian team are mental, maybe a very short break will do him good, say maybe missing the 3 tests against the Windies, then bring him back in, after that. But we can't leave him out for a lenthy time IMO.

 

[andrew_nixon]

i think they beat us in the netball....once

And in Rugby League less than 2 weeks ago. And they nearly beat you last Friday too.

 

[langerrox]

Well firstly I never mentioned clarke, and even though he ain't doing good in the Australian team he needs to stay in there, and have you seen his latest scores for NSW? He scored 178 against reasonable bowling, I think his problems with being in the Australian team are mental, maybe a very short break will do him good, say maybe missing the 3 tests against the Windies, then bring him back in, after that. But we can't leave him out for a lenthy time IMO.

i agree that he has to be given another chance but aus lose another series we are gunna get it big time, and we will stuff up badly, thats why we NEED to win and its test cricket and not ODI and clarke isnt the option. rofe cleary and bailey arent very good, SA bowling is poor with dizzy, same with dizzy he needs another shot but once the doubts about aus are over

 

[aussie1st]

we have tried clarke, agaisnt quality pace bowling he fails, NZ and IND dont have quality pace bowling and clarke likes spinners, which he flogged around in india. how long are we going to keep 'testing him' he needs to stay down a level and work on his batting, why not give more than 1 player a shot instead of clarke all the time because hodge could come out and make 200 on debut so could hussey, we cant be stuck with clarke failing and call it 'new blood in the team' let some quality blood come in, as for the gilly arguement he keeps, and is the best in the world with the gloves so if he fails with the bat he normaly does decent with the gloves, with clarke he fails with bat, he fields good but thats all

Well Gilly didn't do either during the Ashes. Clarke on the other hand actually managed to get 50s. And also its not just Gilly that plays the way Clarke does. Pietersen, Flintoff, Sehwag are all the same. When they get out it looks like they have thrown their wicket away but when they come off it an inns that is sublime.

If Clarke keeps on failing then drop him, its not like he has had a bad series he just didn't captlise on his starts. And going by how long Hayden was given before he captilised expect Clarke to be in the Aus side for quite a while.

 

[ajay2k5]

i agree that he has to be given another chance but aus lose another series we are gunna get it big time, and we will stuff up badly, thats why we NEED to win and its test cricket and not ODI and clarke isnt the option. rofe cleary and bailey arent very good, SA bowling is poor with dizzy, same with dizzy he needs another shot but once the doubts about aus are over

SA bowling is still reasonable, remember cleary once played for Australia, Rofe is actually a good bowler, he bowls a nice line and lenth and models his bowling off McGrath, Cullen has picked up many wickets and is on the Australian list. Dizzy's time has passed, he should settle into the SA team and live out his cricketing years there.

 

[langerrox]

Well Gilly didn't do either during the Ashes. Clarke on the other hand actually managed to get 50s. And also its not just Gilly that plays the way Clarke does. Pietersen, Flintoff, Sehwag are all the same. When they get out it looks like they have thrown their wicket away but when they come off it an inns that is sublime.

If Clarke keeps on failing then drop him, its not like he has had a bad series he just didn't captlise on his starts. And going by how long Hayden was given before he captilised expect Clarke to be in the Aus side for quite a while.

but clarke isnt a gilly or sehwag,pieterson,flintoff his inbetween sometimes he blocks then attacks he should either attack or defend, he always decides to defend/attack at bad times. also hayden averaged 70 odd over like 2 years until this lean patch, now his back, clarke has played good for 2 series. now his shocking, when i watch clarke i always dont watch because i know his gunna get out,

 

[ajay2k5]

but clarke isnt a gilly or sehwag,pieterson,flintoff his inbetween sometimes he blocks then attacks he should either attack or defend, he always decides to defend/attack at bad times. also hayden averaged 70 odd over like 2 years until this lean patch, now his back, clarke has played good for 2 series. now his shocking, when i watch clarke i always dont watch because i know his gunna get out,

Seems like your a anti Clarke kind of guy, give the guy a chance. If he fails during the summer series then dump him.

 

[aussie1st]

but clarke isnt a gilly or sehwag,pieterson,flintoff his inbetween sometimes he blocks then attacks he should either attack or defend, he always decides to defend/attack at bad times. also hayden averaged 70 odd over like 2 years until this lean patch, now his back, clarke has played good for 2 series. now his shocking, when i watch clarke i always dont watch because i know his gunna get out,

Pietersen is the same. He blocked lots during the Ashes. Then he went all out attack.
As for series, what more could Clarke do? He hasn't had 8 years of experience. Everyone will have their lean patch. If we ditched everyone after a few bad series we wouldn't have Tendulkar and Lara.

 

[ajay2k5]

Pietersen is the same. He blocked lots during the Ashes. Then he went all out attack.
As for series, what more could Clarke do? He hasn't had 8 years of experience. Everyone will have their lean patch. If we ditched everyone after a few bad series we wouldn't have Tendulkar and Lara.

Yeah Lara is in bad form, he should be dropped from the Windies team for this series.

 

[langerrox]

Pietersen is the same. He blocked lots during the Ashes. Then he went all out attack.
As for series, what more could Clarke do? He hasn't had 8 years of experience. Everyone will have their lean patch. If we ditched everyone after a few bad series we wouldn't have Tendulkar and Lara.

but they havent gone well have they? tendulkar doesnt fire, india dont(on occasions) and if lara doesnt west indies dont, lara could of been dropped and some new one come through got expierence and when lara was back in form he could come up and perform, there needs to be a brick wall somewhere

Seems like your a anti Clarke kind of guy, give the guy a chance. If he fails during the summer series then dump him.

yeh i guess but i just had the aussie selectors going on past records rather than form. it cost us the ashes!

 

[jazz]

i think they beat us in the netball....once

walloped you both times home and away in rugby union tri-nations about 2 months ago

 

[aussie1st]

but they havent gone well have they? tendulkar doesnt fire, india dont(on occasions) and if lara doesnt west indies dont, lara could of been dropped and some new one come through got expierence and when lara was back in form he could come up and perform, there needs to be a brick wall somewhere

Lara is always like this. He looks like he is in crap form then bang a 200 from no where. We saw that last time he came to Aus. Vaughan was the same in the Ashes. Terribly out of form until he hit his 150. All good players will hit back, Clarke will do the same if he is one.

 

[ajay2k5]

yeh i guess but i just had the aussie selectors going on past records rather than form. it cost us the ashes!

Whether players are in form or not, we still need young guys to try to pull through for us, and I am sure even you know it can take 2 or so years and there will be rough patches.

All I want is to have a team in 3 years time, but look at it this way, if we keep selecting older players were going to have no experience by 2008, and there will be the cycle of younger players and there teething issues. Thats why it's important we get some young blood in there now, and give them a chance before it's to late, clarke may take another year to turn into a superstar, and if he don't then I guess were going to struggle in a few years time unless we get those few younger players in there this summer.

 

[aussie1st]

walloped you both times home and away in rugby union tri-nations about 2 months ago

Knew that stuff was going to be brought up.