Adam Gilchrist's book (merged threads)

[angryangy]

“It is absurd that he [Gilchrist] is speaking after almost a year after the incident

It really isn't. That's how books work, they're written after something happened. Gilchrist has about five years to cover, so it really isn't absurd in the slightest that he has talked about a series in which he took part. The absurdity is in such lengths to protect Sachin Tendulkar, from what currently seems a mere media beat up.

 

[Insomniac]

I find that comments from Indian fans in this thread that Gilchrist is releasing such statements in order to unsettle India and hopefully win are extremely sad. I mean really, it sounds like a bunch of BS. I'm surely Gilchrist still supports Australia, but would anyone go to this length?

Also, Indian fans (some anyway) say that Tendulkar is regarded as a God in many parts of the world.

He's certainly not revered as a God in Pakistan. Not one in England. Not one in Australia. Not one in South Africa.

Now of course, India follows primarily a polytheistic religon, while the rest of the world is monotheistic (as in reference to religons). Now whether this plays a part, I highly doubt.

Point is, he is definitely overrated, and has some "issues to sort out".

 

[pal]

How Hinduism suddenly became a polytheistic religion, I do not know, not that there is anything incorrect in believing in polytheism. I mean, if you're going to believe in talking snakes and invisible beings composed of smokeless fire, you might as well believe in more than one God. But, that's not an appropriate discussion for this forum.

I find that it's somewhat of a futile exercise to resort to generalization when you're talking about a diverse and varied population of over a billion people. I'm sure that there are a number of fans who appreciate Tendulkar for his contributions to Indian cricket and among them, some who, perhaps, do so in a less than restrained manner.

But, to the point, no one here has said that Tendulkar is "regarded as a God". Rohit stated that the majority of the world still viewed Tendulkar as "one of the finest ambassadors of the game". That sentiment, I believe, was recently echoed in a statement from Tony Grieg. For you or anyone else to arbitrarily, without any relevance to comments made here by Indian fans, stake the claim that "Indian fans say that Tendulkar is regarded as a God in many parts of the world" is foolish and needless to say, false.

 

[smssia0112]

The fanaticism with which many Indians view Tendulkar is over the top to the say the least. Why should Gilchrist be trusted over him? He has no reason to lie, is a retired cricketer, and so far in his career has proved to be an honest person. This is his account of what happened, the fact that he did it in a book rather than in the media is that much more respectful.

Tendulkar does have reason to defend himself now, and the Indian camp reason to defend him. He is in the middle of a difficult series, and doesn't want the blip on his radar. It's still entirely possible that he backed his teammate for the teams' sake, which is not necessarily wrong.

And now with the apology, you see what I was saying - the comments were published from his book into the newspaper without asking him to clarify. He made no public comments. In the scheme of things, those were probably about a paragraph in an entire book.

 

[Cricketman]

I find that comments from Indian fans in this thread that Gilchrist is releasing such statements in order to unsettle India and hopefully win are extremely sad. I mean really, it sounds like a bunch of BS. I'm surely Gilchrist still supports Australia, but would anyone go to this length?

Also, Indian fans (some anyway) say that Tendulkar is regarded as a God in many parts of the world.

He's certainly not revered as a God in Pakistan. Not one in England. Not one in Australia. Not one in South Africa.

Now of course, India follows primarily a polytheistic religon, while the rest of the world is monotheistic (as in reference to religons). Now whether this plays a part, I highly doubt.

Point is, he is definitely overrated, and has some "issues to sort out".

Honestly, the people who take the 'God' title of Tendulkar and how Indian fans see him have no idea of what they are talking about. You guys think we actually, truly, worship him? I think not. You guys take it too seriously, take a chill pill. He's no god, but he's the 'God of Cricket'. It's just a title, like how someone would call Viv Richards 'The King'. Was he ever a King?

I hate how some people say that Indians hype Tendulkar too much, etc etc etc. He's our cricketer and we can do whatever the hell we want to hype him up for. He's gotten the highest amount of hundreds, the most runs, a fantastic average, and a great personality to boot (no matter what some other guy says). The fact that all the other guys from around the globe attack him so much just proves that they are trying to make themselves feel better of the somewhat partly batsman that they have - making the other guy look smaller.

 

[Will_NA]

Well, he's only about 5'6" It was a joke!

 

[SaiSrini]

Former India coach John Wright was equally stunned by Gilchrist's comments and said, "During my time with the team, impeccable would be a word that comes to mind. You can talk about sportsmanship on the field but I saw the pressure of being Sachin Tendulkar in India and he had time for everyone.

"In the heat of battle, I have always thought that what happens on the field stays on the field. That seems to have changed a bit. I know Australia plays the game very hard and I hope India has gained a harder competitive edge from that. I think they have, and we are seeing the results in this series," Wright said

Source: Indiatimes

Well, comes from John Wright who is even more respected.

I personally feel that Adam Gilchrist has treaded shaky ground... Expecting more events to unfold in the next few days or weeks.

 

[Will_NA]

As much as good sportsman Tendulkar is, he has not been impeccable or perfect by any means. He's had several controversies in the past(although, mostly minor) such as ball-tampering charges which wre dropped agian after pressure from the Indian public! and I cringe when people claim him to be perfect.

I also find it ironic that Gilchrist is held in high regard by the vast majority oif cricket followers until it comes to Sachin. If he'd said this about Ganguly or Dhoni, I'm pretty sure there would not have been such a backlash.

 

[sohum]

Now of course, India follows primarily a polytheistic religon, while the rest of the world is monotheistic (as in reference to religons). Now whether this plays a part, I highly doubt.

India does not "follow primarily" any religion. It is an entirely secular country unlike many other countries in the world, including Pakistan and the United States.

sohummisra added 4 Minutes and 7 Seconds later...

As much as good sportsman Tendulkar is, he has not been impeccable or perfect by any means. He's had several controversies in the past(although, mostly minor) such as ball-tampering charges which wre dropped agian after pressure from the Indian public! and I cringe when people claim him to be perfect.

Someone already tried to bring up that incident. If you recall, that was in the controversial Mike Denness match. All the arbitrary suspensions handed out in that match were overturned and the next match deemed unofficial. So you cannot conveniently just bring up the Tendulkar decision reversal since it suits your argument.

I also find it ironic that Gilchrist is held in high regard by the vast majority oif cricket followers until it comes to Sachin. If he'd said this about Ganguly or Dhoni, I'm pretty sure there would not have been such a backlash.

With Ganguly, of course not. Because he doesn't exactly have the best track record in being a gentleman. With Dhoni, I'd tend not to agree. Dhoni is very much following in Gilly's footsteps. In fact, even he walks for nicks (except one incident in the recent Sri Lanka ODI series). Besides, if you read most of the comments here, the issue has more to do with the timing of these articles. Of course, Gilly is not to blame, but one cannot help this is one more of the items on the Australian media's agenda to make India look like a ruthless, dishonest team.

 

[Yogy]

Harbhajan Singh has hit back at Adam Gilchrist’s comments on Sachin Tendulkar and said that Gilchrist was not respected anyway due to his own on-field behaviour. Gilchrist labelled as a “joke” the evidence Tendulkar gave in January during the hearing into Harbhajan’s alleged racist remarks against Andrew Symonds.

“He should not be talking about Sachin. It is all rubbish," Harbhajan told the Age. "We don't respect him. He pretends to be a saint and people say he walks when he nicks, but why did he appeal when batsmen don't nick?

"He always changes his mind according to a situation. If Australia is close to a victory he is always going up [appealing], whether it is out or not out. We don't need him to say these things [about Tendulkar] just because he is retired."

Harbhajan was alleged to have called Symonds a monkey and was initially suspended for three Tests, although the ban was overturned on appeal. Gilchrist was annoyed that Tendulkar told the appeal Harbhajan had used a Hindi term that sounded like monkey, although he had earlier given evidence that he could not hear Harbhajan’s comment.

"I don't want to talk about that episode again and again. It is over," Harbhajan said. "If you talk to any guy who plays or follows cricket about Sachin Tendulkar, they will talk about the respect he commands. These guys can't come close to him. I am really shocked."

Harbhajan said the ill-feeling between the two sides that spilled over in the series in Australia had long since passed. He said both teams had played in the right spirit in the first two Tests in India this month.

"We are very focused on cricket and on the next Test in Delhi," Harbhajan said. "We know Australia will come back very strong. It has been a great series so far. There have been no dramas in the first two Tests. I hope the next two will be played in the gentleman's spirit."

 

[Insomniac]

Well, comes from John Wright who is even more respected.

I personally feel that Adam Gilchrist has treaded shaky ground... Expecting more events to unfold in the next few days or weeks.

John Wright > Adam Gilchrist? Hmm.

Also Sohum, there was CLEAR video proof of Tendulkar ball tampering in 2002 (I believe 2002). Yes, Denness was clearly in the wrong on nearly everything, except for the ball tampering. That actually happened, and you cannot possibly deny that.

Also, just please stop writing crap. You call India a "secular country"? How the hell is a country that was split up due to religon secular? Surely the most secular country in the world is the United States, with the very first amendment being the freedom of religon.

And besides, 80% of India is Hinduism, 78.4% of adults in the USA said they were Christian (2007)

Now regarding the comment that Hinduism is somehow not polytheism, I really am completely confused.

Hinduism is sometimes referred to as henotheistic, because (AFAIK) Hindus devote themselves to a single God, however accept that others exist. Please correct me if I'm wrong there or anywhere else.

The basic definition of polytheism is "multiple deities" or Gods / Goddesses. Polytheists do not worship all the Gods equally; they are monolatrists, specialising in the worship of one particular God.

Now that fits in with the definition of Hinduism, so unless you have a different definition for polytheism and Hinduism pal. End of discussion on that note, however, feel free to add me on MSN or PM me if you wish to correct anything I have said, because I could very well be wrong, and would rather be more informed than making incorrect statements in daily life conversations (and no, I don't go around to my friends talking about World Religons everyday )

Oh, and Cricketman, I am afraid to say that you are very blindsighted in the fact that you haven't even stopped to consider what Gilchrist has said, and all you can say is Tendulkar > Gilchrist regarding sportsmanship when Tendulkar runs from the dressing room and starts pointing his finger up (the index finger, not the middle )

Just please, stop the crap. Do whatever you want with Tendulkar. But stop saying that we, the rest of the world, consider him to be iconic with a "God". Not even 75% of the non-Indian contingent of this forum consider him to be of that class.

zMario added 1 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

Harbhajan Singh has hit back at Adam Gilchrist’s comments on Sachin Tendulkar and said that Gilchrist was not respected anyway due to his own on-field behaviour. Gilchrist labelled as a “joke” the evidence Tendulkar gave in January during the hearing into Harbhajan’s alleged racist remarks against Andrew Symonds.

“He should not be talking about Sachin. It is all rubbish," Harbhajan told the Age. "We don't respect him. He pretends to be a saint and people say he walks when he nicks, but why did he appeal when batsmen don't nick?

"He always changes his mind according to a situation. If Australia is close to a victory he is always going up [appealing], whether it is out or not out. We don't need him to say these things [about Tendulkar] just because he is retired."

Harbhajan was alleged to have called Symonds a monkey and was initially suspended for three Tests, although the ban was overturned on appeal. Gilchrist was annoyed that Tendulkar told the appeal Harbhajan had used a Hindi term that sounded like monkey, although he had earlier given evidence that he could not hear Harbhajan’s comment.

"I don't want to talk about that episode again and again. It is over," Harbhajan said. "If you talk to any guy who plays or follows cricket about Sachin Tendulkar, they will talk about the respect he commands. These guys can't come close to him. I am really shocked."

Harbhajan said the ill-feeling between the two sides that spilled over in the series in Australia had long since passed. He said both teams had played in the right spirit in the first two Tests in India this month.

"We are very focused on cricket and on the next Test in Delhi," Harbhajan said. "We know Australia will come back very strong. It has been a great series so far. There have been no dramas in the first two Tests. I hope the next two will be played in the gentleman's spirit."

Yeah, tell him to shut up . He's speaking as if he's Brian Lara or something!

Gilchrist, Harbhajan. Hmm, now if we have gone that low to be comparing Gilchrist to Harbhajan... the world is really coming to an end.

 

[punterpupnroy]

I so hope we clean Bhaji up so bad. Just knock all three of his stumps out of the ground first ball he faces. Before showing him who is boss. That would make my week.

 

[vaibhav mehta]

I hate how some people say that Indians hype Tendulkar too much, etc etc etc. He's our cricketer and we can do whatever the hell we want to hype him up for. He's gotten the highest amount of hundreds, the most runs, a fantastic average, and a great personality to boot (no matter what some other guy says).

Some people really need to read this more time.

vaibhav mehta added 5 Minutes and 49 Seconds later...

As much as good sportsman Tendulkar is, he has not been impeccable or perfect by any means.

But at the same time nobody has been perfect by any means in Cricket.Tendulkar just has been involved in less controversies in terms of his long career.
Think someone playing from past 20 years and represent a country where Cricket is more than a game!!Still you just found half number of controversies he has been involved than the number of records he made.

vaibhav mehta added 14 Minutes and 19 Seconds later...

Can't wait to see what that idiot Gavaskar has to say about this. He won't be happy since Sachin is his lovechild. I bet he will somehow turn this into white western cricketers vs Asians AGAIN :

I think you really need to do some research on Gavaskar Mate.
I did not take that as an offense where I should have as He is doing lot for Cricketing world,at least for Indian Cricket.
though it was entirely your personal opinion but I think some more information might change your opinion.

 

[McLOVIN]

oo boy @ Harbhajan's comment. sounds really childish, the quotes are veryy childish

"we do not respect him. It is all rubbish" / indian accent

 

[vaibhav mehta]

PS - For what its worth , Gilly is a better player and better person than Sachin. Maybe thats why Australia got 3 worldcups and India with Sachin none. Karma is a bitch. jk

Fixed it.
You can never say that any player won any world cup,not at least in my knowledge.And Australia won the 3 world cups is not good enough argument to prove your point that Gilly is a better player and person than Sachin though I am not interested to discuss at all that who is better?

vaibhav mehta added 7 Minutes and 2 Seconds later...

And now with the apology, you see what I was saying - the comments were published from his book into the newspaper without asking him to clarify. He made no public comments. In the scheme of things, those were probably about a paragraph in an entire book.

Exactly,You can't reach to any conclusion until you read the whole page,whole book or context.
My point is not that what Sachin or Gilly have to say about this matter but still some people who are eager to criticize the Sachin every second,taking this thread to somewhere else..