Australia vs England ODI Series - 7 matches - Sep 4 to Sep 20

I'd say his List A bowling average shows it isn't anything to write home about.

Ah, averages the royal enforcer behind any player being good. (Elliot averages 50 odd with the bat, doesn't he?) He's still got plenty to go, his form with the ball this year hasn't been rewarded with many results, outside of Championship cricket, he was quite instrumental in us winning the T20 cup. I've seen him bowl a plenty this year and he's much improved. To write his bowling off as being useless to team is just ignorant and misguided.

He's a good death bowler.
 
Looks like no change for either side going by cricinfo. Guess our changes will start to happen in the next few games.
 
Watching the highlights you would think Bopara and Prior really did cost England the game, Collingwood was poor also. Wright still looked as bad as ever too, effective yes but against better bowlig he could be contained.

England had the game to win, but I'd say it was lost when Collingwood and Shah were batting together. After 37 overs Australia had been 160/3, England were 157/3 with Shah and Collingwood batting together. England were right in the game with two settled batsmen, although the previous few overs had slowed the runs right down when England should have looked to press on. I've said before that England lose their way around the 100 mark

End of 29th over : 125/3w
30th over : 1 run
31st over : 9 runs
32nd over : 2 runs
33rd over : 6 runs
34th over : 2 runs
35th over : 4 runs
36th over : 2 runs
37th over : 6 runs
38th over : 5 runs + wicket of Shah

So we went from 136 needed off 21 overs at 6.47 to 99 off 12 overs at 8.00. Just when we needed to start accelerating we didn't, in fact our RR went from 4.31 down to 4.26 in those nine overs even with seven wickets in hand until the last of the nine.

I don't think England have a clue how to bat to win, we were well in the game but didn't take it by the scruff of the neck. Any kind of positivity during that spell of nine overs and we'd have probably won, instead we played out four overs with 1-2 runs from them and only three with more than six. Fair enough Bopara played fairly sedately, but someone playing the anchor is no biggy. We just never accelerated, too many batsmen playing themselves in, too many silly incidents like run outs off no balls, treading on stumps etc.

In truth we didn't really create much pressure on the aussies during their innings, they also lost their 3rd wicket not long after reaching 100, but didn't fall apart before the home straight. We have too many bits n pieces cricketers, should really have been Sidebottom, Anderson, Broad, Swann and Rashid bowling through but we go with part-timers too readily and underuse our main wickets threat. Collingwood picked up a couple of wickets fair enough, but surely our main seamers pose more consistent threat, especially to new batsmen, than a medium pace wobbler who bowled tidily and got a couple of wickets reward? I looked at ODIs we win by number of wickets taken and we don't win too many taking less than 8-10

It was interesting that Sidebottom opted not to play at a wide ball in the last over that wasn't a wide, I was thinking earlier in the day whether a wide is such a valuable thing to get or if you should try hitting wide balls for four or six. If the ball is wide, you get a run/extra and an extra delivery. But is one run and extra delivery better than a four and no extra delivery? I'd take four runs over one plus a chance[i/] of more runs off the extra delivery.
 
The key moment for me was when Shah stood on his stumps. Such a silly way to get out for a batsman who had gotten himself in. That was the turning point for me. Agree with that point, COllingwood etc took their time to get in they needed to go on and up the rate. Both sides had so many starts and no one went on. The pitch seemed decent, good pace and the outfield was lightning!

But anyway, if a game goes down to the final ball of the game and any side can win it it's always a good one.

Lee back to his old tricks again. Looks great in tour games against second string and county XIs but turn the pressure on and he crumbles. We'd be much better off exploring other options really.

Lee was getting good pace. He hit 150s and he was constantly high 140s. He got a bit unlucky with a few edges down to third man etc. which if were missed woulda taken out a stump.

Luke Wright's bowling is dreadful, he runs in faster than he bowls.

I thought that was funny when I first saw him bowl. You'd think he's be pretty quick the way he runs in.
 
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Just seen Broad is injured, and Rashid has been dropped.

Work that one out...
 
Ah yeah, drop an economical bowler for a batsman; exactly what's happened both sides, Voges for Hopes (who incidentally is a good batsman too) and Morgan for Rashid.

Wait, the Voges - Hopes bit's disappeared off Cricinfo, and apparently we're unchanged now. :S
 
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Don't know why the English dropped Rashid, he batted and bowled well so why bring in Morgan?

And surprise surprise we lost the toss :sarcasm
Its good to see Clarke acknowledge he batted like crap.
 
good to see paine walking down the wicket,reminds me of the days when hayden used to do it.

even if the power of paine isnt as much as hayden:laugh
 
Typical England. Drop the player who outbatted and outbowled every other England player, and keep Bopara.

Cook made another one day hundred yesterday. How much does he have to do to get a chance?
 
What on earth have the selectors done Rashid out? I've not been calling for his selection all of the time but after his performance in the first ODI he had to be in.

And Bresnan is a pretty poor cricketer in my opinion no way I'd have him above Rashid.
 
Cook made another one day hundred yesterday. How much does he have to do to get a chance?

Leave Cook in Domestic cricket for a while, he making adjustments to his technique at the moment something you don't really want to be trying out at the top level.
 

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