Australia vs England ODI Series - 7 matches - Sep 4 to Sep 20

[aussie1st]

Finally some boundaries, credit where due White is actually going nicely of late. Better than our so called captain is. This looks like a much better surface for Ferguson to score quickly on.

 

[Gilly Fan]

3-4 boundaries for an excellent run rate? I wouldn't call just under 6 an excellent run rate. So if we add that onto our score at the 15th over stage we would have been around 80 which is 5.3 an over far from excellent. And this isn't something that is just occurring today or even this series, its occurred ever since Hayden and Gilly left. If we are serious about winning the World Cup we need to be at least 90 runs by the 15 over mark. An "excellent" run rate would be 100+.

You'd have to be the greatest cricket in the universe to get a run rate of 100+/

I run rate of 5 is very good. If you go at 5 an over until the 40th over you'll be on 200 which gives you every chance to make 280+ which is a very competitive total.

I posted this on bigfooty, but Australia have only scored 300 3 times in their past 25 ODIs. Twice if you get rid of the Scotland game.

 

[Howsie]

Ah, averages the royal enforcer behind any player being good. (Elliot averages 50 odd with the bat, doesn't he?) He's still got plenty to go, his form with the ball this year hasn't been rewarded with many results, outside of Championship cricket, he was quite instrumental in us winning the T20 cup. I've seen him bowl a plenty this year and he's much improved. To write his bowling off as being useless to team is just ignorant and misguided.

He's a good death bowler.

He's just your typical bit's and pieces player. He's not good enough to get into the team with his bowling or batting. I brought up his List Average because you didn't like the fact Slowcoach said he was a poor bowler, apparently he was judging him on one game. He's played enough cricket to show his bowling isn't that great (Averaging 37 over how many years isn't even decent).

 

[cricketmad09]

Who else do we play? Luke Ronchi? He was dropped from WA last summer and will not be in our future. I don't think that any of our keepers outside of our Haddin are quick run scorers.

I agree with you on the second point. We can't have a whole team of nudgers. We don't have someone like Symonds or Hayden who can take the game away from you like that. I'd contemplate bringing in someone like Warner or Quiner whom we can use as a pinch hitter at the top of the order. Someone who can get the scoreboard ticking. Probably not Warner as he needs to develop an offside game and has already been found out by international sides, but surely there is someone who plays that role in domestic cricket.

I'd perhaps give Matthew Wade from Victoria a go. He's been pretty good with the gloves and has talent with the bat already scoring a few centuries in the Sheffield Shield. He's yet to translate that into some big scores in the FR Cup but he definately has batting talent and the ability to score quick runs.

But seeing as though he's a Victorian he won't even come into consideration.

 

[aussie1st]

I'd perhaps give Matthew Wade from Victoria a go. He's been pretty good with the gloves and has talent with the bat already scoring a few centuries in the Sheffield Shield. He's yet to translate that into some big scores in the FR Cup but he definately has batting talent and the ability to score quick runs.

But seeing as though he's a Victorian he won't even come into consideration.

Paine was the keeper for the Aus A tour and scored a 100 as opener, Wade has potential but only has the one good season to go off plus he wasn't the fulltime OD keeper at Victoria. So there was no reason for the selectors to pick anyone but Paine.

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I posted this on bigfooty, but Australia have only scored 300 3 times in their past 25 ODIs. Twice if you get rid of the Scotland game.

Looking more into those 300s. Against SA we had 0/111 after 15 overs at a run rate of 7.4 which is an excellent run rate. After that sort of start its hard not to get 300.
The other game against NZ we were slower with only 0/65 but in the next 15 overs we scored over 100 runs to get the total up to 167 by 30 overs and using the double your total thing that gives you over 300 at the 50 mark. So you either need a good start or attack the middle stages, Haddin was the key reason for us attacking the middle stages in the NZ game but the problem is getting him to that point as opener.

 

[Howsie]

Such a stupid team selection. The Aussies aren't playing spin well in the middle overs, and Rashid was excellent in the last game, so it really doesn't make any sense.

The commentators are already gashing over him I see. His bowling figures in that game flatter him greatly tbh. Australia (Michael Clarke) played him badly, any ball that was in a decent area was defended and any bad ball was hit for just a single. And it wasn't like he was bowling anything special to deserve such little treatment, he wasn't bowling with much turn or variety.

 

[Gilly Fan]

I'd take the powerplay now. Better to have it when 2 batsmen are more or less set than at the 45 over mark when we're 5 or 6 down with new batsmen. Should also lift our run rate which we need if we want over 270.

 

[aussie1st]

Geez I love Ferguson once again scoring at a run a ball even though he came in early. He did that all the way through the Ford Ranger Cup which is a dam good effort and it wasn't even through big hitting.

 

[Covvy]

Fergusson's going great. White's now gone

 

[cricketmad09]

Paine was the keeper for the Aus A tour and scored a 100 as opener, Wade has potential but only has the one good season to go off plus he wasn't the fulltime OD keeper at Victoria. So there was no reason for the selectors to pick anyone but Paine.

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Looking more into those 300s. Against SA we had 0/111 after 15 overs at a run rate of 7.4 which is an excellent run rate. After that sort of start its hard not to get 300.
The other game against NZ we were slower with only 0/65 but in the next 15 overs we scored over 100 runs to get the total up to 167 by 30 overs and using the double your total thing that gives you over 300 at the 50 mark. So you either need a good start or attack the middle stages, Haddin was the key reason for us attacking the middle stages in the NZ game but the problem is getting him to that point as opener.

Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't that century off about 140 balls? Not good enough to be an effective player in international cricket.

Firstly Wade should've been the first choice keeper.

Secondly think about how many spinners have been drafted into Australian squads when they're barely getting a game for their own states? Hauritz, Krejza, Casson. So it shows that when we need a specialist the selectors are open to choosing players who don't have their state spots set in stone. Only difference here is that Wade is actually talented, where as the others are not.

 

[aussie1st]

Just great there goes our big hitter. At least this partnership will be at a run a ball.

 

[Themer]

And it wasn't like he was bowling anything special to deserve such little treatment, he wasn't bowling with much turn or variety.

If bowling with varied pace the top spinner googly and the legspinning delivery isn't enough variety then I don't know what is.

 

[Howsie]

How good does Ferguson look. I've only seen him 5/6 times but he always seems to keep his scoring rate up around 90-100 all the way through his knock. He looks like a real good find.

Hmmmm. Unlucky for White, he wasn't going to badly.

 

[aussie1st]

Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't that century off about 140 balls? Not good enough to be an effective player in international cricket.

Firstly Wade should've been the first choice keeper.

Secondly think about how many spinners have been drafted into Australian squads when they're barely getting a game for their own states? Hauritz, Krejza, Casson. So it shows that when we need a specialist the selectors are open to choosing players who don't have their state spots set in stone. Only difference here is that Wade is actually talented, where as the others are not.

134 runs off 136 balls which is more than acceptable. Cricket Archive

Paine also averages 36 in OD cricket with a SR of 66 compared to Wade who averages 14 at a SR of 69 in OD cricket. Paine has been around longer and the selectors see him as a potential replacement for Haddin. Wade may step into the frame if he continues his form from last season. But the OD record alone is enough reason to pick Paine over Wade.

 

[Sureshot]

Great spell from Luke 'bits and pieces' Wright earlier. Though Strauss maybe bowled him for one over more than he should have. Been disappointed with Jimmy, not been himself in ODIs for ages. Bresnan did okay too. If we can remove one of these two from batting in the last 10, we're on for a good'un.

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Good ball by Swanny. Big wicket.