Australia vs England ODI Series - 7 matches - Sep 4 to Sep 20

[aussie1st]

We don't need an extra batsman, we just need batsmen who can apply themselves better.

That's pretty much what we have done with Hopes. Not our greatest batter but offers handy bowling. Don't know if he will be in our best 11 when Ponting returns unless White goes back to being crap again.

 

[piriyanth]

I don't like Hussey batting at no.6. He doesn't seem like a guy who will hit hard in the final overs.Put him at no.3 and White at no.6.

Also Mitchell Johnson solved our lack of big hitters problem. He can play the same role as Albie Morkel.

 

[Owzat]

Typical England. Drop the player who outbatted and outbowled every other England player, and keep Bopara.

Cook made another one day hundred yesterday. How much does he have to do to get a chance?

It's all wrapped up in theory, Bopara bowls a bit while Cook obviously isn't an ODI batsman because he bats too slow even though his ODI SR is 68.16.

We prefer players who are great at one day county cricket but can't get into the Test team or are simply unproven at international level.

Bopara : 43 ODIs, 915 runs @ 29.52
Mascarenhas : 18 ODIs, 215 runs @ 23.89 & 11 wkts @ 48.73
Patel : 11 ODIs, 116 runs @ 23.20
Bresnan : 9 ODIs, 79 runs @ 15.80 & 9 wkts @ 32.67
Batty : 10 ODIs, 30 runs @ 5.00 & 5 wkts @ 73.20
Wright : 19 ODIs, 323 runs @ 24.85 & 5 wkts @ 43.60

Morgan has made 2no, 6no and now 14. According to Howstat he averages 7.00 vs Australia, 0.00 vs Sri Lanka, 2.00 vs England, 15.00 vs New Zealand, ,14.00 vs Bangladesh, 2.00 vs Pakistan and 28.00 vs South Africa. Should we play Canada he averages 199 and he averages 63 vs West Indies and 52.50 vs Scotland.


As for the 2nd ODI, what a shambles. 74/0 to 129/5 in no time at all and match lost. Strauss keeps talking as if it is a Test match, players getting in but not going on. There's a bit more to it than that, the problem is we seem to have no direction, no gameplan. Only Strauss himself batted with much purpose and success, some of the dismissals were brainless and embarrassing.

That's the first time under Strauss' captaincy we've taken 9+ wickets and lost. It's not a coincidence that all of Strauss' nine wins as captain have come when we've taken 7+ wickets, even then we've lost 80% of the games with him as captain when taking eight wickets. The side definitely needs work on, and to work as a side. We're muddling through overs too much when bowling, Bresnan took 1/25 but only bowled seven of his overs while Collingwood came on to bowl four overs and concede 19 runs. I think England underrate wicket taking, preferring to keep the run-rate down the hard way. Our opening bowlers should bowl say five overs at the start, 2-3 in the middle and their last 2-3 at the end. But we lost it in several places, the collapse as mentioned above, and allowing their 9th wicket to add 41 quick runs at the end. We should have polished off their tail and then easily chased down 220-230. The problem with the polishing off of their tail is the same as the general problem, we don't have a set of bowlers that looks like taking 10 wickets that often. Wickets create pressure, we did that bit reasonably well until late on.

Why did we wait until we'd run out of batsmen before taking the powerplay? I don't like it myself, overcomplicates a simple game, but surely you take it earlier to force the opposition to bring back their better bowlers since they will use them in the last 6-10 overs anyway and that won't inconvenience them. You also should be scoring relatively quickly latterly anyway so why take powerplay overs at a point when you're looking to score 7-9 runs an over anyway?!?!?

Prior is wasted at three, Morgan is a pointless inclusion and I wouldn't include Bresnan and Wright in the same side. Anderson needs to get his act together, world beater against the West Indies taking 12 wickets over two series @ 22.25, but his last few series performances are not fantastic against the rest

AUS (1 wkt @ 92.00) 1/57, 0/35
IND (0 wkts) 0/33, 0/47, 0/26, 0/52
SAF (1 wkt @ 90.00) 0/6, 0/23, 1/17, 0/26, 0/18
SCO (0 wkts) 0/22
NZE (9 wkts @ 53.00) 1/46, 1/39, 3/61, 0/16, 0/45, 1/65, 1/86, 2/41, 0/43, 0/35 (two series)


One note on Strauss, did I hear him saying we haven't scored a fifty in two ODIs?!?! What does he think Collingwood scored?!?! No doubt we'll make two ineffectual changes, nothing will actually change and probably blame losing on KP and Flintoff's absence. This side should be shaping towards the one that plays in the next World Cup, I expect a fair few will be there but only because we'll have gone round and round in circles a few times beforehand.

Owzat added 5 Minutes and 39 Seconds later...

You guys definitely need to bring in Trott, that guy fixed your batting problems in the Ashes, may as well see if he can do the same here.

We apply parallel selection policies, some players can have 10 bad games and not be dropped while others who won us the Ashes can have one bad game and be dropped. I see no future in picking Morgan, Trott should be picked for the Test and ODIs with the tour in mind and World Cup. Bowling is more of a worry for me at the moment with no frontline seamer making a strong case to lead the attack. Prior needs to be dropped down the order, we need to score quick runs later in the innings not just early on. For batting I'd like to see an order something like - Strauss, Bopara, Shah, Pietersen and/or Trott, Collingwood, Prior, Broad, Rashid, Swann................ Problem with that order is perhaps one too many batsmen, maybe include Wright instead of Bopara, Trott, Collingwood or Shah

 

[aussie1st]

I don't like Hussey batting at no.6. He doesn't seem like a guy who will hit hard in the final overs.Put him at no.3 and White at no.6.

Also Mitchell Johnson solved our lack of big hitters problem. He can play the same role as Albie Morkel.

Hes perfect for 6, everytime he moves up he gets out like White so we lose our finisher.

We all knew Johnson could fill that role just about consistency which he still hasn't showed.

 

[Brook]

How's White's bowling these days? Clarke seems to prefer his own.

 

[Hooper]

Good idea, White can't bowl.

Possibly the worst leg spinner Australia's every played. Oh, on par actually with Bryce McPain.

 

[Cricketdude]

This One day series has been successful.

 

[Hooper]

Indeed.

Who the hell is Eoin Morgan? Another below par county cricket batsman I assume?

 

[RoboRocks]

Indeed.

Who the hell is Eoin Morgan? Another below par county cricket batsman I assume?

Former Ireland batsman who plays for Middlesex. He's been in good form over the last few seasons.

I would bring Broad and Rashid in for Bresnan and Morgan, plus Denly in for Bopara if fit.

I've also said that I would bat Rashid at 6 since slogging at the end of the innings isn't his thing. He's a touch player. Wright and Broad can come up if were nearing the end of the innings but I would place Rashid at 6 because he's wasted really at 8.

My Team:

Strauss (c)
Denly
Prior (wk)
Shah
Collingwood
Rashid
Wright
Broad
Swann
Sidebottom
Anderson

 

[cricketmad09]

I actually wouldn't mind seeing him open and push Paine down to 8. If he gets going he can really cause some damage especially against the spinners.

I don't think he's solid or reliable enough to be an opening batsman. I think perhaps he could be a pinch hitter in the middle order. Come in at about 4 if we've got a reasonable score and get him to slog around during the quiet middle overs.

cricketmad09 added 5 Minutes and 43 Seconds later...

Good idea, White can't bowl.

Possibly the worst leg spinner Australia's every played. Oh, on par actually with Bryce McPain.

McGain is still in my opinion the best spinner in Australia he just had 1 really bad Test. Anybody can have a bad game.


White is a still only a part time spinner. He could be worth an over or 2 because he does have variety and the ability to pick up a wicket, however I wouldn't be relying on 10 overs from him. Not in the world.

 

[aussie1st]

I don't think he's solid or reliable enough to be an opening batsman. I think perhaps he could be a pinch hitter in the middle order. Come in at about 4 if we've got a reasonable score and get him to slog around during the quiet middle overs.

Probably right but no harm in trying in a pointless series. If he goes well this series then we might have a long term opener if not he goes back to the lower order.

 

[Sureshot]

Former Ireland batsman who plays for Middlesex. He's been in good form over the last few seasons.

I would bring Broad and Rashid in for Bresnan and Morgan, plus Denly in for Bopara if fit.

I've also said that I would bat Rashid at 6 since slogging at the end of the innings isn't his thing. He's a touch player. Wright and Broad can come up if were nearing the end of the innings but I would place Rashid at 6 because he's wasted really at 8.

My Team:

Strauss (c)
Denly
Prior (wk)
Shah
Collingwood
Rashid
Wright
Broad
Swann
Sidebottom
Anderson

Denly and Broad aren't available for tomorrow. I wouldn't bat Rashid above Wright either.

 

[Raj_Aryan]

Eng middle order has failed to deliver in last two matches, even chasing total of 250-260 (they were 70/0 in last match and then suddenly 97/4) they had collapsed,lets see how they now come back after loosing back to back 2 matches..

 

[RoboRocks]

Denly and Broad aren't available for tomorrow. I wouldn't bat Rashid above Wright either.

Yeah, I checked earlier today. Bresnan to retain his place and Rashid to come in for Morgan.

As I said, I would bat Rashid at six because he's not a slogger. He would be able to build an innings and then Rashid can then bat around Wright, Broad and Swann, who are better strikers of the ball.

 

[Brook]

What is going on with the selection, why are they chopping and changing? Everyone knows you have to settle eventually.