Dare
Chairman of Selectors
hey England fans, why dont any of you include Cook in your teams when making a ODI XI. The dude cant be that bad and he is having a good domestic season.
Just wondering.
Just wondering.
Australia vs England ODI Series - 7 matches - Sep 4 to Sep 20
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I have to admit Cook has been playing well recently. I know his past form in odi's has been poor, but at least he appears to be in form currently. England must make at least 3 changes to the batting line up imo. I would love to see Hildreth get a chance.
We focus on the batting, but are our bowlers doing anything?
Sidebottom : 2 wkts @ 66.00
Bresnan : 1 wkt @ 71.00
Anderson : 2 wkts @ 72.00
Broad : 0/52 off 9 overs
Wright has picked up 3 wkts @ 25.67, Bopara 1/12, Swann 3 @ 31.67, Collingwood 3 @ 35.00, and Rashid bowled 10 overs conceding just 37 runs, but our supposed main strike bowlers have not backed up our batsmen as much as the batsmen haven't done much. We've relied on the back-up bowling cast for any kind of wicket-taking threat.
I couldn't believe Alec Stewart on Wednesday, when the aussies were around 120/2 he was saying the only way England could get back into it was to force the required run-rate up to six an over and pressure would buy a wicket. What cobblers, no wonder England have never adapted to a new era of one day cricket when a former captain thinks that way. Wickets create pressure creates wins. If the batting side are progressing reasonably without losing wickets then they are usually in charge, if the bowling side takes wickets then they create pressure on the batsmen and keep the run-rate down. So Stewart got it the wrong way around, taking wickets would have slowed the run-rate down and created pressure. We came close to it in the 2nd ODI, but let their lower order score quick and free runs to make the total that bit too far out of our reach.
Johnson : 7 wkts @ 16.14
Watson : 6 wkts @ 17.00
Hauritz : 4 wkts @ 28.50
Lee @ 4 wkts @ 36.25
Even a slightly expensive bowler like Lee causes more problems than our frontline seamers who are so little threat they are too often left without bowling their full allocation of overs. But Lee is used because he poses a wicket threat, even if slightly expensive. I think most of our problem lies in the middle overs. When we are batting we lose direction, leave the powerplay too late and get bogged down. When we are bowling, we switch to the back-up bowlers who do a tidy job but are never likely to pick up the number of wickets that would put us in charge. What I mean is the aussies might be 100/3 when Collingwood, Swann et al start bowling and after they've bowled 20 overs between them the aussies may be only say 180/4 or 5 but are poised to score off the last 10 overs. We simply don't pose a constant enough wicket threat, ok we're not going to bowl opponents out every ODI, but if they're always approach 200 with six or seven wickets in hand then we're likely to lose a lot more often than we win.
The batting is a problem obviously, but better bowling could help and can't be left without shouldering their fair share of the blame.
Strauss : 122 runs @ 40.67. Faultless so far, well maybe could go on to make bigger scores but at least he's contributing consistently
Bopara : 86 runs @ 28.67. Too slow in his best knock and not enough runs overall
Prior : 29 runs @ 9.67. Needs to be batting down the order, instead of obsessing with 'pinch-hitting', England could use him in the middle overs when the ball is softer (before it is changed) and increase the tempo against the aussie second string. None of our attempts to use keepers as 'pinch-hitters' up the order has worked, maybe Stewart might have done but he was an opener as well
Shah : 60 runs @ 20.00. One good knock, needs to apply himself better
Morgan : 57 runs @ 28.50. Not keen on him, another decent county pro I'm not convinced will cut it at this level. Did little to impress for Ireland
Collingwood : 107 runs @ 35.67. Always does enough to score runs and keep his place, helps that he bowls a bit, but how many games does he WIN with the bat? Plodded along too slowly for my liking, even when the only hope for England he could try and push on a bit, but I can't help feeling he has his place in his mind a little even when trying to win.
Wright : 67 runs @ 22.33. A bits n pieces cricketer, can bowl and bat but not a batsman, bowler or all-rounder (of any great strength anyway)
I can't see how Trott can't get in the ODI team, especially after losing three on the Trott. Whatever noises come out of the England hierarchy/captain, they need to correct the problems not simply diagnose. We can all conjecture the cause of the problems, it's down to them to fix them.
Sidebottom : 2 wkts @ 66.00
Bresnan : 1 wkt @ 71.00
Anderson : 2 wkts @ 72.00
Broad : 0/52 off 9 overs
Wright has picked up 3 wkts @ 25.67, Bopara 1/12, Swann 3 @ 31.67, Collingwood 3 @ 35.00, and Rashid bowled 10 overs conceding just 37 runs, but our supposed main strike bowlers have not backed up our batsmen as much as the batsmen haven't done much. We've relied on the back-up bowling cast for any kind of wicket-taking threat.
I couldn't believe Alec Stewart on Wednesday, when the aussies were around 120/2 he was saying the only way England could get back into it was to force the required run-rate up to six an over and pressure would buy a wicket. What cobblers, no wonder England have never adapted to a new era of one day cricket when a former captain thinks that way. Wickets create pressure creates wins. If the batting side are progressing reasonably without losing wickets then they are usually in charge, if the bowling side takes wickets then they create pressure on the batsmen and keep the run-rate down. So Stewart got it the wrong way around, taking wickets would have slowed the run-rate down and created pressure. We came close to it in the 2nd ODI, but let their lower order score quick and free runs to make the total that bit too far out of our reach.
Johnson : 7 wkts @ 16.14
Watson : 6 wkts @ 17.00
Hauritz : 4 wkts @ 28.50
Lee @ 4 wkts @ 36.25
Even a slightly expensive bowler like Lee causes more problems than our frontline seamers who are so little threat they are too often left without bowling their full allocation of overs. But Lee is used because he poses a wicket threat, even if slightly expensive. I think most of our problem lies in the middle overs. When we are batting we lose direction, leave the powerplay too late and get bogged down. When we are bowling, we switch to the back-up bowlers who do a tidy job but are never likely to pick up the number of wickets that would put us in charge. What I mean is the aussies might be 100/3 when Collingwood, Swann et al start bowling and after they've bowled 20 overs between them the aussies may be only say 180/4 or 5 but are poised to score off the last 10 overs. We simply don't pose a constant enough wicket threat, ok we're not going to bowl opponents out every ODI, but if they're always approach 200 with six or seven wickets in hand then we're likely to lose a lot more often than we win.
The batting is a problem obviously, but better bowling could help and can't be left without shouldering their fair share of the blame.
Strauss : 122 runs @ 40.67. Faultless so far, well maybe could go on to make bigger scores but at least he's contributing consistently
Bopara : 86 runs @ 28.67. Too slow in his best knock and not enough runs overall
Prior : 29 runs @ 9.67. Needs to be batting down the order, instead of obsessing with 'pinch-hitting', England could use him in the middle overs when the ball is softer (before it is changed) and increase the tempo against the aussie second string. None of our attempts to use keepers as 'pinch-hitters' up the order has worked, maybe Stewart might have done but he was an opener as well
Shah : 60 runs @ 20.00. One good knock, needs to apply himself better
Morgan : 57 runs @ 28.50. Not keen on him, another decent county pro I'm not convinced will cut it at this level. Did little to impress for Ireland
Collingwood : 107 runs @ 35.67. Always does enough to score runs and keep his place, helps that he bowls a bit, but how many games does he WIN with the bat? Plodded along too slowly for my liking, even when the only hope for England he could try and push on a bit, but I can't help feeling he has his place in his mind a little even when trying to win.
Wright : 67 runs @ 22.33. A bits n pieces cricketer, can bowl and bat but not a batsman, bowler or all-rounder (of any great strength anyway)
I can't see how Trott can't get in the ODI team, especially after losing three on the Trott. Whatever noises come out of the England hierarchy/captain, they need to correct the problems not simply diagnose. We can all conjecture the cause of the problems, it's down to them to fix them.
angryangy
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Strauss is definitely batting awesomely right now and getting 0/80 after 20 overs would be a lot better than what they're doing.
Yes and no. If England needed 300+ with both Cook and Strauss opening I wouldn't back them to get England of to a quick start. Keep Cook in county cricket playing the one day game and wait for a change, god knows they change their openers way too much.
RoboRocks
Chairman of Selectors
Cook needs to learn to play straighter down the ground before getting back in the ODI team. He's starting to come of age as an OD player for Essex but whether he can do it at ODI level, I'm not sure.
Pretty much the story of the summer, our bowlers and even batters have looked better than the English but you guys always managed to win the key moments. Not such a big issue in ODIs but the first two matches you guys could have won and once again the stats would have been screwed up. But I wouldn't be too worried about your bowlers, they have kept us to 250 scores, it was just poor execution from the batters that led to you guys falling short. Of course you guys had a bad day in the 3rd ODI where our batters never looked troubled but really the game was lost when your batters only made 220.
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Anderson and Collingwood have been rested for the next two and three games respectively. No replacements and no mention of how the injured are gong.
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King Pietersen
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Cook is still tinkering with his technique, so bringing him into International One Day cricket having just made quite big changes to his technique would be a big ask. Strauss and Cook opening in ODi's would be horrible to watch as well. I'm looking forward to seeing Kieswetter and hopefully Bopara opening =] I'm still not convinced by Strauss as an ODi batsman or captain, and would like to see a split captaincy put into place with KP taking the ODi and T20 jobs.
With Colly and Anderson rested, I'm guessing we'll bring Denly and Rashid into the XI, and go in with:
Joe Denly
Andrew Strauss *
Matt Prior +
Owais Shah
Ravi Bopara
Luke Wright
Stuart Broad
Adil Rashid
Tim Bresnan
Graeme Swann
Ryan Sidebottom
Either that, or Strauss will move to 3 with Prior moving down to Collingwood's spot at 5. I see them picking Bopara over Morgan.
With Colly and Anderson rested, I'm guessing we'll bring Denly and Rashid into the XI, and go in with:
Joe Denly
Andrew Strauss *
Matt Prior +
Owais Shah
Ravi Bopara
Luke Wright
Stuart Broad
Adil Rashid
Tim Bresnan
Graeme Swann
Ryan Sidebottom
Either that, or Strauss will move to 3 with Prior moving down to Collingwood's spot at 5. I see them picking Bopara over Morgan.
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King Pietersen
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Possibly. I'm an Essex fan though, and <3 Ravi. So obviously I want him in the team. Screw stats, Ravi's awesome. Fact.
Fair enough. I just feel that Struass has proved himself to be a decent opening one day batsmen.
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