It's not how I would I want my number four to bat though. At one point Clarke was 40 odd and his SR was below 50, it's only putting his team into a bigger hole.
Australia vs England ODI Series - 7 matches - Sep 4 to Sep 20
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It's not how I would I want my number four to bat though. At one point Clarke was 40 odd and his SR was below 50, it's only putting his team into a bigger hole.
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Clarke is averaging over 40 in ODI cricket and is the team vice-captain. I think he should be in.
I wouldn't complain if hes dropped, his strike rate has been slowly slipping coinciding with his rapid rise as a premier Test batter. It also means we can keep Hopes in the side whose bowling is pretty handy although his batting hasn't set the world on fire. I don't remember him playing a knock like the one Johnson did in the 2nd ODI. Could bring in Warner/Voges at 7 if going with that lineup.
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Clarke should be opening the batting.
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I don't like the idea of replacing Hopes with a batsman; being able to use six bowlers confidently has been a very good thing and problems with the batting are hardly going to be solved by number 7 when they're regularly finishing their innings 4 or 5 wickets down.
If Clarke was dropped you would notice a sudden instability in the Australian batting order.
ODI cricket isn't all about bashing it around. There is a place for an accumulator. AUS have hitters to bat around him plus usually his SR isn't THAT bad. Hes too good a player to drop tbh.
White's not a bad batsman really either despite a lot of the comments in here. His bowling is tripe, but battingwise he's not bad. Not the prettiest at times but he can slog a long ball when needed.
England lost the game with the bat IMO. Not enough pressure. That's a very mediocre ODI total in decent conditions.
ODI cricket isn't all about bashing it around. There is a place for an accumulator. AUS have hitters to bat around him plus usually his SR isn't THAT bad. Hes too good a player to drop tbh.
White's not a bad batsman really either despite a lot of the comments in here. His bowling is tripe, but battingwise he's not bad. Not the prettiest at times but he can slog a long ball when needed.
England lost the game with the bat IMO. Not enough pressure. That's a very mediocre ODI total in decent conditions.
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White's problem is he has no middle ground - he either goes out swinging and it comes off or he gets out early, live by the sword kind of thing, whereas players like Symonds and Gilchrist had that middle ground where they could stabalise a little bit when required.
As for this mornings game, they were chasing about 4 an over when Clarke came in and still pushed along steadily, no need to go out and start swinging wildly, but, if you look back at the best ODI innings from Clarke they more often than not came when he opened the innings. I remember Michael Bevan used to come in an play cautiously, aswell/
As for this mornings game, they were chasing about 4 an over when Clarke came in and still pushed along steadily, no need to go out and start swinging wildly, but, if you look back at the best ODI innings from Clarke they more often than not came when he opened the innings. I remember Michael Bevan used to come in an play cautiously, aswell/
We got Ferguson and Hussey that fill this role already. As I said before, his innings today was just fine. The problem comes when he does this in the 1st innings.
Possibly a bit harsh after he did just that in the match, came out early and scored slowly, but didn't lose his wicket and batted the majority of the match
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This is all ODIs since the World Cup. Clarke's 68 is not good enough
That's exactly who I was thinking of watching that knock this morning. White is pretty much exactly like Symonds:
1. He's been hanging around the side for ages on potential (and successful in English county cricket first),
2. Originally thought of as an all-rounder but will turn out a much more useful batsman,
3. Originally stuck down at #7 and told to smash and grab quick runs because they were pigeonholed as big hitters, but now flourishing with a move up the order and more responsibility
4. Important in the field - Symonds in the covers, White at first slip
Hopefully this is the same kind of breakthrough Symonds had in '03 and Whitey turns into a solid and occasionally demoralising middle order player.
Agree. Watson hits his back pad a LOT on those straight ones. He has a weird bend of the back leg and he's had 2 or 3 this season where he's gone pad-bat-LBW because he's hit his back pad first, slowed his bat down and couldn't get to the ball in time. Can pads be modified? Because Watson is a major candidate for cutting the top off his back pad. Otherwise his defensive techinique to the straight ones will have to be remodelled.
Yeah I think if you gave Watson a better quality partner, he'd be more than happy to go harder at the start. Batting with Paine and even Haddin - he is arguably the better batsmen and probably sees that it is his job to stay in longer. Put Michael Clarke up there or Phil Jaques, Shaun Marsh type guys and he'd probably be happy to start taking risks earlier as he would trust the other guys to stay in and score bigger scores.
Wright is doing a great job with the ball. As an Aussie fan I see him bowl and think wow, surely this guy can be hit, just as I imagine Watson's bowling is infuriating the England fans. They are kinda cancelling each other out with their surprisingly excellent performances.
Yes - agree. There were a couple of overs he played out to Bresnan where I was yelling at the TV, but you can't argue that Australia was much closer to a win and more likely to win by the time Clarke was dismissed than when he came in. Sure White did most of that donkey work, but he needed a partner.
Haha I can't really remember any defensive Symonds or Gilchrist innings. Sometimes they would scratch around for a bit whether it be poor form or tight bowling, but they both relied on getting a 'big shot' away to get their innings going. Symonds got better at milking the bowling as his ODI career progressed, but it didn't take much to get him lofting shots. To me, White seems far more willing to defend than Symonds or Gilchrist ever did.
Shah can't be persisted with. He's played 63 games and has only one hundred, which isn't good enough from the top order, Ravi has yet to score a hundred and neither has Prior.
Joyce deserves another shot. He's scored nearly 1000 runs in OD cricket this season. Trott is a must, and I would bring Davies in for Prior (Sureshot won't agree
Rashid has to be included in the next game. I feel in modern ODI and Twenty20 cricket that two spinners are worth their wait in gold with teams now attaining bigger scores through the batting power-play. Plus as we've said, Rashid is a genuine all-rounder who contributes with bat and ball.
If Wright can't do the part then I would certainly choose Napier. He can bowl yorkers at 86mph and is a big hitter coming in at 7-8. I would certainly stick with Wright though since I feel that he's an all rounder and should bowl a lot more than he does now.
The order would look like this:
Strauss (c)
Davies (wk)
Joyce
Trott
Morgan
Rashid
Wright (can move up when needed)
Broad
Swann
Sidebottom
Anderson
I probably would consider bringing Davies in for Prior. Prior is playing out of position, I know he never got huge scores opening, but at least he got 20-30 with an SR of 80-90, what has Ravi done?
I can't explain Prior in ODIs, he's a better player than this. Possibly hindered by not playing any domestic OD cricket.
If Davies plays, he has to open. Also wish people would stop mentioning Napier, his batting just isn't good enough.
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Napier's not a batsman. He's a genuinely good One Day bowler that bats abit. He's been batting at 3 for Essex in the Pro40 and done a decent job, but I agree, his batting isn't anything special. Probably on a par with Bresnan, and his bowling's much better than Bresnan's. Napier should not be dismissed because of his batting. He could easily bat 7 or 8 because his bowling is good enough. Don't get why you continually dismiss Napier just because of his batting, he's not a batsman. Unless you've been sucked into the Sky hype that he's primarily a batsman.
Well, if you think he can bat 7, then he must have some ability. I just don't think he's an international cricketer. Way too inconsistent, other players are in much better form and I just don't think he fits in to the side.
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