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No their is nothing crazy about Doherty not missing out. One good game vs SRI couldn't have made him the first choice spinner in ODI over Haurtiz who has been a very solid option in ODI cricket since 2009.

You may argue that maybe 2 spinner could have gone, but the selectors are obviously backing their quicks to be their main wicket-taking threat in the WC, which is quite understandable.

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this squad is atrocious, David Hussey plays like crap and gets a spot it is unbelievable. classic Australian selectors pick people on form they might have in the future.

You probably where screaming when Symonds was picked for the 2003 WC squad then.
 
No their is nothing crazy about Doherty not missing out. One good game vs SRI couldn't have made him the first choice spinner in ODI over Haurtiz who has been a very solid option in ODI cricket since 2009.

You may argue that maybe 2 spinner could have gone, but the selectors are obviously backing their quicks to be their main wicket-taking threat in the WC, which is quite understandable.


Yeah, that's what I think should of happened, surely you have to take 2 spinners to the sub-continent?

Also with our pace attack, that is a huge risk we're going with. Having Lee, Johnson and Tait all playing could turn out to be a complete disaster as we all know how erratic they can be. I would of prefered if they took a Nannes or Stuart Clark even?
 
Yes a four man pace attacks could be liability in Subcontinent especially with the forced change of ball after 35 over. That pretty much means no reverse swing. Tait and Lee both are capable of reversing but ICC has taken the reverse swing factor out of ODIs.
 
You probably where screaming when Symonds was picked for the 2003 WC squad then.

I wasnt watching cricket that long ago but from what I have heard it was because Australia had lots of injuries and needed anyone to fill the spot.
 
No their is nothing crazy about Doherty not missing out. One good game vs SRI couldn't have made him the first choice spinner in ODI over Haurtiz who has been a very solid option in ODI cricket since 2009.

God bless you sir :clap Doherty has one good match - that's great. But he followed it with a couple of merely average ones, plus a couple of awful Tests. That's no where near enough to replace a guy who, as you said, has been quite solid in the ODI setup.

You probably where screaming when Symonds was picked for the 2003 WC squad then.

I can tell you I was... I loathed having Symonds in the team. He'd done jack-squat for about 6 years of international cricket up to that point - he was playing because of his fielding really, and the odd random 6 - followed by the inevitable hole out to long on. That 02/03 summer was when my admiration for Watson and hatred for Symonds hit it's peak. But of course Watson was the injury that let Symonds in.

At the time I wanted Harvey to move up to 7 (he was wasted at 8), Hogg was a good batsman at #8 so depth wasn't an issue. Or I wanted Greg Blewett instead of Symonds. Blewett's bowling was just as good in my eyes, and he was in way better form with the bat.

But it all worked out in the end...:p
 
Yes a four man pace attacks could be liability in Subcontinent especially with the forced change of ball after 35 over. That pretty much means no reverse swing. Tait and Lee both are capable of reversing but ICC has taken the reverse swing factor out of ODIs.

You do realise AUS have the most success record for any ODI team in India in the last decade winning all their completed ODI series right?. 1998, 2001, 2003 TVS Cup, 2006 Champions Trophy, 2007, 2009.

All those series wins where on built had strong pace attacks.

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Yeah, that's what I think should of happened, surely you have to take 2 spinners to the sub-continent?

For me one is enough. Harutiz & Dohery are ok spinners. They are no Swann & Vettori.

Regardless of the form of the pace attack currently, that is AUS strenght. So if the pacers where to struggle in IND, Harutiz & Doherty aint gonna help much.

Also with our pace attack, that is a huge risk we're going with. Having Lee, Johnson and Tait all playing could turn out to be a complete disaster as we all know how erratic they can be. I would of prefered if they took a Nannes or Stuart Clark even?

The quicks have the rest of the ODI series vs ENG to find their mojo. Mainly Tait, Bollinger, Johnson since Lee is fine again.

But yes some element of risk is present & i personally would have taken Nannes ahead of Bollinger. Not Clark however he is finished as a international cricketer.

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I can tell you I was... I loathed having Symonds in the team. He'd done jack-squat for about 6 years of international cricket up to that point - he was playing because of his fielding really, and the odd random 6 - followed by the inevitable hole out to long on. That 02/03 summer was when my admiration for Watson and hatred for Symonds hit it's peak. But of course Watson was the injury that let Symonds in.

At the time I wanted Harvey to move up to 7 (he was wasted at 8), Hogg was a good batsman at #8 so depth wasn't an issue. Or I wanted Greg Blewett instead of Symonds. Blewett's bowling was just as good in my eyes, and he was in way better form with the bat.

But it all worked out in the end...:p

Haha ye everyone was madd @ symonds selection. I dont think even the selectors wanted to picking, it was all down to Ponting backing his potential to go.

Sometimes thats all a players needs to click i guess, that "pat-on-the back" confidence that you can do it, even when you haven't or maybe doubting yourself. Can be worth so much runs that confidence gained from scoring a tons or runs/taking a bag of wickets in domestic cricket.

I was just checking back the 2002/03 ING performances since back then i dont remember following that domestic competition, but yea Blewett seemed to have been in good all-round form for sure.
 
If it was me choosing the team for the first match against Zimbabwe this what I would go for.

Shane Watson
Brad Haddin (WK)
David Hussey
Mike Hussey
Michael Clarke (C)
Cameron White
Steve Smith
Mitchell Johnson
Brett Lee
Doug Bollinger
Shaun Tait
12th man: Nathan Hauritz
 
Yes a four man pace attacks could be liability in Subcontinent especially with the forced change of ball after 35 over. That pretty much means no reverse swing. Tait and Lee both are capable of reversing but ICC has taken the reverse swing factor out of ODIs.
It's probably not as good for bowlers between overs 30 and 40, but there's still reverse swing. Ultimately, there were always ball changes in the last hour of the innings, but now it is standardised. In that regard, I think the concern for Australia is probably how hard they try to condition the ball. The most abrasive of pitches will see the ball reverse long before the ball change, no question.

However, I wonder if the consistency of the grounds is something we are inclined to overestimate. Maybe new ball bowling will be a bigger thing than we realise. Because it is a World Cup, we'll see different grounds in play and they will be spread across 3 countries. We'll see 9 day games; that suggests we'll almost certainly see a few games where there is early moisture or tackiness in the pitch and it will be better to chase. The grounds in Bangladesh are typically not so consistent either. The Hambantota ground in Sri Lanka has not seen any international play, Pallekele hasn't seen much more. Our minds can fill in the gaps, but who knows for sure what will happen?
 
If it was me choosing the team for the first match against Zimbabwe this what I would go for.

Shane Watson
Brad Haddin (WK)
David Hussey
Mike Hussey
Michael Clarke (C)
Cameron White
Steve Smith
Mitchell Johnson
Brett Lee
Doug Bollinger
Shaun Tait
12th man: Nathan Hauritz

Mike Hussey won't be fit for the first match. You'll have to resort to Ponting.
 
Which team is better?

1. Brad Haddin (wk)
2. Shane Watson
3. Ricky Ponting (c)
4. Michael Clarke (vc)
5. Cameron White
6. Michael Hussey
7. Steven Smith
8. Mitchell Johnson
9. Brett Lee
10. Nathan Hauritz
11. Shaun Tait

12. Doug Bollinger
13. John Hastings
14. David Hussey
15. Tim Paine (wk)

OR

1. Brad Haddin (wk)(vc)
2. Shane Watson
3. Shaun Marsh
4. Cameron White (c)
5. Dan Christian
6. Michael Hussey
7. Mitchell Johnson
8. John Hastings
9. Nathan Hauritz
10. Brett Lee
11. Doug Bollinger

12. Callum Ferguson
13. Aaron Finch
14. Ryan Harris
15. Shaun Tait
 
If it was me choosing the team for the first match against Zimbabwe this what I would go for.

Shane Watson
Brad Haddin (WK)
David Hussey
Mike Hussey
Michael Clarke (C)
Cameron White
Steve Smith
Mitchell Johnson
Brett Lee
Doug Bollinger
Shaun Tait
12th man: Nathan Hauritz

Is that your full strength lineup? I definitely wouldn't take 4 quicks in, 3+Watson is more than enough.

Yes a four man pace attacks could be liability in Subcontinent especially with the forced change of ball after 35 over. That pretty much means no reverse swing. Tait and Lee both are capable of reversing but ICC has taken the reverse swing factor out of ODIs.

Reverse swing is definitely still in the game just not happening in the death overs. The English got the ball going in the 20th over which is a good 10 overs worth of it.
 
Which team is better?

1. Brad Haddin (wk)
2. Shane Watson
3. Ricky Ponting (c)
4. Michael Clarke (vc)
5. Cameron White
6. Michael Hussey
7. Steven Smith
8. Mitchell Johnson
9. Brett Lee
10. Nathan Hauritz
11. Shaun Tait

12. Doug Bollinger
13. John Hastings
14. David Hussey
15. Tim Paine (wk)

OR

1. Brad Haddin (wk)(vc)
2. Shane Watson
3. Shaun Marsh
4. Cameron White (c)
5. Dan Christian
6. Michael Hussey
7. Mitchell Johnson
8. John Hastings
9. Nathan Hauritz
10. Brett Lee
11. Doug Bollinger

12. Callum Ferguson
13. Aaron Finch
14. Ryan Harris
15. Shaun Tait

Well the first team obviously. Ranked #1 in the world right now :p

In the second team, 7 bowling options seems a bit excessive - especially since only 1 is a spinner. That kind of 5 bowler lineup is worth a try though, probably when resting Watson would be the time to experiment. And while I can see you are no Ponting, Clarke or Smith fan I'd hardly bet my house that Marsh, Christian and Hastings would be better. Each to their own though I guess.
 
Well the first team obviously. Ranked #1 in the world right now :p

In the second team, 7 bowling options seems a bit excessive - especially since only 1 is a spinner. That kind of 5 bowler lineup is worth a try though, probably when resting Watson would be the time to experiment. And while I can see you are no Ponting, Clarke or Smith fan I'd hardly bet my house that Marsh, Christian and Hastings would be better. Each to their own though I guess.

yeah i know what you mean but I think if we could get a solid top 6 that you can rely on we could go with the 5 bowlers as our bowlers arent very consistant so if you had more options you might get one that can win the game for you. plus 4 of those 5 can bat anyway.

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I just think steve Smith is that kind of nothing player that we have wasted our time with for a long time. he can't really bowl and he can't really bat.
 
@ Aussie1st. But death overs is where reverse is really needed to counter the batsmen.
 
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Need i say anything more after todays innings? Clarke=crap, Dussey=crap, Smith=crap. add Hughes to that and you have a bunch of aussie batsman with horrible techniques in horrible form and don't deserve to be in the team, keep Clarke if you have to but the rest have to go.

Marsh did all the talking for me too.
 

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