TumTum
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Cardiff?
2 switch hits have been attempted by the English batsmen, and you all were bitching about Warner playing it in a T20 match :laugh:laugh:laugh
Bangladesh tour of England, May-July 2010
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Cardiff?
2 switch hits have been attempted by the English batsmen, and you all were bitching about Warner playing it in a T20 match :laugh:laugh:laugh
I meant in both innings of a match.
Finn has been too hot too handle for all the Bangladeshi batsmen, looks a real find for England. I think Bangladesh did well in this match, the bowling was a bit too inconsistent as usual and the sudden batting collapse still remains an issue.
Ashfaggotfool ruined every chance we had of drawing this. If he hadnt got out, we'd have finished the day on top. 322/3. We had to send a nightwatch against a new ball, because of Assfull.
Eng would've been under lot more pressure, if we started the day with 7 wickets in hand, with Shakib, Rahim, Riyad still to come.
Eng would've been under lot more pressure, if we started the day with 7 wickets in hand, with Shakib, Rahim, Riyad still to come.
So far this year, all the test went to day 4-5. And lost by lot of runs or wickets., but not by innings. They were very close to draw 1 or 2. But gave it away. Like today. Should've batted better this morning. But the condition was overcast again, it was tough.
My ass. He got killed by Tamim, until Tamim gave it away. He will lose it against a good batsman.
RoboRocks
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That is never too far away from being trotted out every time England aren't running through batting sides.
It's about QUALITY not quantity. I know TMS and C5 subscribe to the five bowler theory as being that extra option, but why would that FIFTH CHOICE bowler being any more likely to take wickets if he couldn't even make a first choice set of four?!?!?!?!? Who would this magic bowler be? If he were a Warne, McGrath or chucker then surely he'd be in the side already and we wouldn't be debating five bowlers (again).
And for the record, for the people who never take much notice, this is what happened when we played five bowlers down under in 06/07 - and that included Flintoff as the number six batsman.
You have got to give yourself the best chance to win test matches, especially if the pitch is flat.
The problem, as I said, is that England have two swing bowlers in Anderson and Bresnan and when the pitch goes flat they don't look like taking wickets. England need to have at least two pace bowlers, who could hit the deck and extract any life in the pitch.
In 2005, England had Hoggard as the swing bowler and Harmison and Flintoff as the hit-the-deck bowlers. It was one of the features of the attack.
It's no coincedence that Anderson and Bresnan started taking wickets when it was overcast and the ball was swinging. Apart from that Bangladesh looked in no trouble and the game would have probably finished in a draw if it stayed sunny.
It would be a good idea to have a look at Shahzad in the next test. He does hit the deck and could cause problems on flat surfaces. He could then be in the running for Australia.
Lets not forget that Australia will have at least two hit-the-deck bowlers playing in the Ashes. Two of (or all three) Johnson, Bollinger and Siddle could be playing.
This attack could be effective in Australia:
Anderson
Finn
Broad
Shahzad
Swann
As I said before, another spinner might be an option as well. Rashid could be an option at Sydney, where the pitch turns for a wrist spinner.
After that you have to back the batsmen to be able to put the runs on the board. Trott has a double hundred in this game, so there is pressure on Bell and Collingwood to make some runs at some point this season to accomadate the extra bowler.
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Once Sidebottom proves his fitness he certainly will be ahead of Shazad in the pecking order to go to Australia. Plus i'd even have Chris Tremlett ahead of Shahzad if he has a injury free seaso n for Surrey.
Shazad doesn't look international quality at all.
But going back to point. As rightly said by Poster Owzat & myself before. Without Flintoff England can't pick 5 bowlers.
Even if you pick that 5th bowler, you are going to weaken the batting. Australia will have a very strong pace attack & England need a solid top 7 to counter them.
People need to forget about England 5 bowlers in Australia. Just accept the deficiency that unless something magical happens. We already know our full-stenght attack of Anderson/Onions or Finn/Broad/Swann will struggle to take 20 wickets in AUS consistently.
1st Test: England v Bangladesh at Lord's, May 26-28, 2005 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
same time of the year, 5 years ago. Only 2 decent players. Rafique, and Bashar. oh and Ashraful :sarcasm
same time of the year, 5 years ago. Only 2 decent players. Rafique, and Bashar. oh and Ashraful :sarcasm
RoboRocks
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Sidebottom's injuries mean that he's lost the pace and nip to become effective and Tremlett has so many injuries and no success since England last selected him.
Shahzad hasn't played enough international cricket to determine whether he's good enough or not.
Then what should we do, play for a draw?
England's batting should be good enough if they take responsiblity. Plus the likes of Broad, Swann and Shahzad are good lower order players, and Anderson can hang around as well.
Whats the deal with Trott and his stump mark? He does it so long we all know that, he does it every ball, every over, i know that. He does it after the game is over, while the players are shaking hands and already went in. I did not know that.
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I don't see why people always think 4 bowlers can't take 20 wickets but 5 bowlers can.
If a team has 4 such poor bowlers that they can't take 20 wickets between them then why is playing an even poorer bowler (given that he's the 5th choice) change that? It's not going to be like Bresnan is going to come along and pop out ponting if he's causing so much hassle to broad, anderson, finn and swann.
If a team has 4 such poor bowlers that they can't take 20 wickets between them then why is playing an even poorer bowler (given that he's the 5th choice) change that? It's not going to be like Bresnan is going to come along and pop out ponting if he's causing so much hassle to broad, anderson, finn and swann.
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pcfan123
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4 of the 5 Ashes Tests are back to back with less than a weeks break. 5 bowlers if anything is to reduce the overall load on all the bowlers
hMarka added 1 Minutes and 11 Seconds later...
Perhaps eventually let Kieswetter don the gloves and bat at 6 as a true keeper batsman
hMarka added 1 Minutes and 11 Seconds later...
Perhaps eventually let Kieswetter don the gloves and bat at 6 as a true keeper batsman
TumTum
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And to add what hMarka said I don't think England are expecting to take 20 wickets every match anyway, so they might as well come with 5 bowlers to get the possible media outcry off their backs. They have a useful batting order anyway with Trott solid at 3, KP back at 4.
I think Owzat summed it up perfectly a page ago with the figures. Anyway, if I'm England and I'm HOLDING the Ashes, I want my batting lineup as long as possible. Bresnan doesn't strike me as being so valuable at #7 that he HAS to play. Bresnan seems like the kind of bowler who'll get carted, much like Jimmy Anderson or Saj Mahmood did in 06/07. The Aussie batsmen seemed to enjoy facing Bresnan in the 2009 ODIs (from memory - Ricky Ponting in particular), so I can't imagine their respect for him will have magically grown since then.
Oh and checking the scorecard this morning I can't believe how easily Bangladesh let Strauss accumulate He hit only 6 boundaries in a run a ball 82 - 4 of which were in the first 2 or 3 overs. They GIFTED him those last 50 or 60 runs by their field placings (as well as the dropped chance of course). That drop should have set the light off for them, hey we can get this guy out...But no. Honestly, how did they think they were going to win??
Oh and checking the scorecard this morning I can't believe how easily Bangladesh let Strauss accumulate
He hit only 6 boundaries in a run a ball 82 - 4 of which were in the first 2 or 3 overs. They GIFTED him those last 50 or 60 runs by their field placings (as well as the dropped chance of course). That drop should have set the light off for them, hey we can get this guy out...But no. Honestly, how did they think they were going to win??
