Bangladesh tour of England, May-July 2010

[Ollie_H]

I think you're being a bit harsh now Ollie.

Can you not see the way now that he keeps avoiding the question I keep asking about giving an opinion? Responding to others but not that one, you can't hide behind news links to try and show you may know something all the time.

 

[ZexyZahid]

That's what I am saying. I've seen it work few times in the past. So ya, good thinking Shafi.


3rd Match. Sold out.

I remember it Fernando (or Malinga) doing it against against Bopara in the World Cup. There were some upset reactions about that.

I am not even sure whether Shafiul Islam did that move by himself. Maybe he talked it through with his captain Mortaza.

And indeed for the match there will be more tickets sold. It's good for cricket, otherwhile there would a lot of empty stands.

 

[shravi]

Way to be subtle with the neg rep McLOVIN :laugh. I had no idea who it was even though there was no name :sarcasm.

I don't know where I stand on the Trott issue tbh. I think he has a place in the team, but perhaps not with Strauss and Bell both around. Going into the World Cup, England are going to have to play an aggressive brand of cricket to make best use of the flat pitches. High scores are much easier to chase down in the subcontinent so dot balls are like gold dust. Even though Trott doesn't need to be overly aggressive, he does need to rotate the strike much better.

 

[McLOVIN]

I put Mc at the end. :sarcasm

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nvm.. I didn't. checked.

 

[Mike23]

Damn i missed this. Great victory to b'desh and bell's 'heroics' were simply awesome. Going to watch the highlights now.

 

[rocky_g]

If you don't like them stop posting them!

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And it will probably be Bopara who comes in.

:laugh aah frustration. Zexy has been posting like this for ages.


Congrats McLovin you guys deserved it today. Thats what we want to see from Bangladesh.

 

[War]

Disagree. Michael Clarke is an exceptional player of spin bowling, and I'm sure he would have scored far quicker than Trott did today. We already have a Clarke-esque batsman in this side, and that is Ian Bell. Bell is a classy strokemaker that is excellent against spin. Trott is a dogged accumulator of runs that struggles to maneuver the ball and find singles against spin. We don't need a player like that in the ODi side. He's decent at the top of the innings, when there are gaps in the field which he can hit through and find boundaries, but outside the powerplay overs he struggles to score quickly enough, and with guys like Bell, Pietersen, Collingwood and Morgan available to us, we don't need a player like Trott.

The innings Trott played today was very similar to innings Clarke played recently againts us @ Southampton & The Oval. Clarke may be a better player of spin than Trott - but if he found himself in the situation Trott was in today with wickets falling around him. He would have played just as similar - of that i'm sure.

Clarke has all the other issues like Trott. Which you suggested before, which are:

- struggle to rotate strike

- doesn't score quickly enough off spin

- doesn't have many boudnary hitting options. WHich tends to get exposed if the end up batting in the power plays or last 10 overs.

This is why as i said before. Trott would be fine in the ODI team if he is opening or batting @ # 3, scores a 50+ & gets out before the last 10 overs.

I'd consider having Trott in the side, but he shouldn't be a nailed on selection, simply due to the points I've made about him in the past. Pitches in the subcontinent, and India specifically might not be the bunsen burners of the past, but they're still slow, and teams will be using more than one spinner, so Trott will struggle to score quickly. He doesn't score quickly enough to bat in the middle order and isn't one of the best options available to open.

Well i do think he is one of the best options opening available. He should be next in line if injury/rest occurs with one of Strauss/Kieswetter. If he is opening - his slight issues againts spin can be sheilded

As for Shah. I still think his fielding and running could hamper the side potentially, but he's a good enough batsman to get a place in the squad. He's good against spin, is capable of scoring quickly and is playing well for Middlesex. Should be ahead of Trott in the pecking order I think.

Yea i'd have Shah in Best ODI XI right now ahead of Trott, until or if Flintoff comes back by the 2011 WC:

Strauss
Kieswetter
KP
Colly
Morgan
Shah
Yardy
Swann
Broad
Sidebottom
Anderson

Trott's best position is opening, or at 3. Davies could easily come into that top order as a pure batsman. He's a fantastic timer of the ball, is excellent against spin and scores quickly. I'd be happy with him at 3 or opening, with Kieswetter moving down the order and playing a role similar to the role he's played for Somerset in the past, batting at 6 or 7.

I dont know how you can say Davies is 'excellent" againts spin when he certainly has never been tested againts quality spin anywhere in county cricket. Based on what i've seen of him - i dont see that as a strenght of his at all. Davies for now is a squad back-up to Kieswetter - cant make the 1st XI.

Plus no man. Kieswetter must always open - definately the best option we have have taken advantage of the powerplays in the country. All his success for Somerset has come opening with Trescothick as well. Batting him @ 6 would be the same player a player out of position mistake that was done before with Prior & G Jones opening in ODIs & expecting them to do well internationally.

Plus you clearly haven't considered why in a non-Flintoff ODI XI. Having the keeper bat @ 7, would prevent the side from a having a decent 5-man attack & seriously unbalance it.

For the record. I'm not placing the entire blame on Jonathan Trott, it was a terrible team performance. Trott was the stand out performer with the bat, but even he didn't bat well enough. The rest of the batting order batted even worse, not putting any value on their wicket and leaving the run chase to someone else. It's clear Trott isn't a finisher and he needed someone to stick with him till the end, but none of the batsmen were capable of doing that. The bowling was largely good, with Shahzad impressing, but the fielding was sloppy again, which is disappointing given how well we've fielded in recent times. Bangladesh shouldn't have got as many as they did, and in the end it cost us.

Which is basically the point. No need to blame at all for anything. He did the best he could within the boundaries of his ability.

 

[TumTum]

:laugh :hpraise

 

[shravi]

Is it me or do War and Dan always disagree ? Just when I thought they were reaching a common ground as they had with the Trott debate, War goes and disagrees with the rest of KP's posts :laugh.

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You don't like your posts? Then why post? . Mug.

Aww man, I wish he didn't edit his post. Your response had me laughing for a while.

Anyways, back on topic. Good to see Bangladesh getting a win. It has been way too long. They usually lack that clinical edge to take full advantage of when they are on top. They generally can't seem to hold it together for an entire match so this is refreshing.

 

[Robelinda]

Dont see Trott having much impact in odi cricket, i'd have Bell or Shah ahead of him any day. Trott is very similar to Clarke, except Clarke can hit out when he wants to, just he never seems to want to anymore. There's nothing wrong with being an accumulator of runs, but let those guys stay in test cricket.

Shahzad looks impressive, i'd be worried about him touring here next summer, he has something about him.

 

[angryangy]

They need Trott, he has substance. Guys like Bell and Strauss all make pretty scores, but let the other team into the game by getting out. Trott might not be great in some of the bigger run chases, but England are not winning them anyway. Without an abundance of top order players who can both produce big scores and do it quickly, you need at least one who is a specialist at big scores.

 

[Robelinda]

They still miss Marcus. A big ton guy.

 

[McLOVIN]

if you missed it. ECB | VIDEO | ODIs | ODIs Video | 2nd NatWest ODI - Bristol - Daily Highlights

 

[khalek]

No one's even celebrating here in Dhaka, they know it was a fluke win (Thanks to Bell injury) and their team's gonna start getting thrashed again from the 3rd ODI. Winning one game per year is not gonna help.

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dude just stfu. Why wont the celebrate? 1st in against Eng. 1st win in Eng. 1st win in 250 days (cricinfo said), 1st win under Mashrafe. You act like your mom never hugged you. Stop being so emo.

Then why the hell would they take the stumps out even before Bell came out to bat? Have they won the world cup? This is just a god damn ODI which is neither gonna make any difference in the rankings nor it's gonna get you a very prestigious trophy plus the team have been playing competitive ODIs for 12 years and they have a win % of less than 30 I believe and they should be expected to win matches regularly.

 

[Owzat]

No one's even celebrating here in Dhaka, they know it was a fluke win (Thanks to Bell injury) and their team's gonna start getting thrashed again from the 3rd ODI. Winning one game per year is not gonna help.

I'm not sure it was entirely down to Bell's injury, although that did help towards the win, but England blew (it) bigtime. But contributing factors were :

- selection. too rigid, persisting with Yardy (16.88 & 41.50) and Wright (21.19 & 50.57). Their contribution of 25 runs and 0/69 was next to useless as usual

- rigid bowling changes. Always the same, use the quicks until too expensive or tired, push through bit-part bowlers. Even if a quick is expensive and Collingwood is effective and taken a wicket, always switch back to the quicks at the death

Anderson 9-0-46-0 - largely due to pressure of other bowlers
Broad 10-0-60-1
Collingwood 5-0-16-1 - better than the other two, still not bowled out
Yardy 10-0-39-0 - as the only 'spinner' he had a good chance of bowling out, but needs to take wickets or he's just giving the batting side free runs

- poor shot selection of batsmen. How many threw their wickets away?!? Morgan's was the epitomy of stupidity, we needed a partnership not quick runs. We can't blame T20 as they just won a five match ODI series.


Of course it looks like Collingwood also cheated. The laws state a batsman is out if caught, it doesn't stipulate the umpire has to give him out for it to be out. The fact that he didn't walk is cheating, if he knows he edged it, forcing the umpire to make a decision is a cop out because you are hoping the umpire gives the wrong decision : So I think England deserved to lose, especially from there. Some will argue justice was done, or that Collingwood was unlucky to later be given out LBW to a ball he hit. If batsmen are going to stand their ground then ffs use replays, and only available to the umpire. Not using gimmicks like dorkeye is better for me, but if they insist then they can knock themselves out. But use replays at the very least, Collingwood might have gone on to make a match-winning contribution.

I'd say well played Bangladesh and congratulations, but I think England rather gift wrapped the win. I don't blame Bell's injury, England should have won anyway had the openers capitalised on a good start and batsmen supported Trott instead of wafting and throwing their wickets away

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Oh and it is interesting how few people were really interested in this thread/series before England lost.................................