Bangladesh tour of England, May-July 2010

Your completely missing the point that the batsman (barring Trott, who might i add scored almost half the runs, yet you still are only lambasting him) were the ones who put the pressure on the tail, not Trott.

Stop being biassed and be realistic. We lost it due to rash shots from most of our batsmen.

Besides, we'll still thrash them in the last game, who cares?

The entire top order put pressure on the tail, Trott included. He batted OK, it was a decent knock, but he just did not bat quickly enough, or take enough responsibility at the death. He showed towards the end of the innings that he was capable of rotating the strike, and finding the twos, so why couldn't he do it earlier in his innings? The bowling wasn't so good that Trott was forced to strike at 50, it was just a poorly paced innings. We batted 49.3 overs, yet couldn't chase 237. Trott batted the large majority of the innings and should have got us home, but didn't bat quickly enough, which put him and the team under unnecessary pressure.

You haven't even given the Bangladesh bowlers any credit. You just blaming Trott :facepalm. Although it is true Trott is not the greatest player of spin - he is not as bad as you have articulated before. Trott isn't a power-player. He is a bit like Michael Clarke in the way he plays. Given the circumstances today, Trott batted to the best of his ability regardless. Since if he had made ZERO, England would have lost much earlier.

In a perfect scenario if Trott is batting @ 3 in the ODI side. He won't necessarily have to bat in the last 10 overs in chase or setting a target where his non-big hitting ability will be exposed. He can & would be very effective batting within the first 40 overs.

Disagree. Michael Clarke is an exceptional player of spin bowling, and I'm sure he would have scored far quicker than Trott did today. We already have a Clarke-esque batsman in this side, and that is Ian Bell. Bell is a classy strokemaker that is excellent against spin. Trott is a dogged accumulator of runs that struggles to maneuver the ball and find singles against spin. We don't need a player like that in the ODi side. He's decent at the top of the innings, when there are gaps in the field which he can hit through and find boundaries, but outside the powerplay overs he struggles to score quickly enough, and with guys like Bell, Pietersen, Collingwood and Morgan available to us, we don't need a player like Trott.

Good to see you acknowledging Shah BTW. Both of them should be in the 2011 WC IMO.

Davies most likely will be in as well yes as back-up keeper to Kieswetter (although i wont rule out Priors chances of being back-up keeper). But i'm not sure how & why you are suggesting Daveis as better option than Trott?. They would have obvious different roles in the ODI team.

I'd consider having Trott in the side, but he shouldn't be a nailed on selection, simply due to the points I've made about him in the past. Pitches in the subcontinent, and India specifically might not be the bunsen burners of the past, but they're still slow, and teams will be using more than one spinner, so Trott will struggle to score quickly. He doesn't score quickly enough to bat in the middle order and isn't one of the best options available to open.

As for Shah. I still think his fielding and running could hamper the side potentially, but he's a good enough batsman to get a place in the squad. He's good against spin, is capable of scoring quickly and is playing well for Middlesex. Should be ahead of Trott in the pecking order I think.

Trott's best position is opening, or at 3. Davies could easily come into that top order as a pure batsman. He's a fantastic timer of the ball, is excellent against spin and scores quickly. I'd be happy with him at 3 or opening, with Kieswetter moving down the order and playing a role similar to the role he's played for Somerset in the past, batting at 6 or 7.

As i mentioned above, Trott isn't a power-player. He is a bit like Michael Clarke in the way he plays. Given the circumstances today, Trott batted to the best of his ability regardless.

He batted to the best of his ability, but I'm not sure that's good enough.

For the record. I'm not placing the entire blame on Jonathan Trott, it was a terrible team performance. Trott was the stand out performer with the bat, but even he didn't bat well enough. The rest of the batting order batted even worse, not putting any value on their wicket and leaving the run chase to someone else. It's clear Trott isn't a finisher and he needed someone to stick with him till the end, but none of the batsmen were capable of doing that. The bowling was largely good, with Shahzad impressing, but the fielding was sloppy again, which is disappointing given how well we've fielded in recent times. Bangladesh shouldn't have got as many as they did, and in the end it cost us.
 
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England are heading down a slippery slope here. They lost the last two games to Australia in the last series (plus they should have won the third game comfortably) and they've lost to Bangladesh today.

It's up to the coach and the captain now to speak to the side and remind them of the standards they should be achiving, which certainly are not good enough at the moment.

Kieswetter needs to be given a licence to be able to go after the bowling from the word go. England won the Twenty20 World Cup by exploiting the power-play better than any other team, and this must gravitate to the ODI form of the game.
Someone like Gilchrist, doing the role for Australia, would play shots from the start, the bowlers knowing this would then be put under added pressure.

I wouldn't be too critical of Trott. He could of scored a bit quick but he was the one holding the innings together.
 
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I think Jaharul deserves a bit of a shout out for keeping wicket so competently in Rahims absence. No byes, 3 dismissals and 40 runs is a really good return for a wicketkeeper, let alone a make shift one.
 
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Bangladesh won!!!! with Ian Bell not out on 0. :p

This is just awesome. I take my post back about few pages back!!

Hats Off for their first win over England in any formats!! Hope to see them continue momentum
 
The difference was Ashrafucz. I think he has been part of every win of this generation
 
Why? was he not part of 1st ODI?
 
No he just flew over yesterday as a replacement for injured players
 
OK!!

So some Ashrfool touch there then :p
 
Again Bangladesh was at least 40 runs short, and they could have easily got those 40 runs. They are lacking a good finisher. Never really had one, well other than Mashrafe. But he is not a proper finisher.

McLOVIN added 3 Minutes and 4 Seconds later...

OK!!

So some Ashrfool touch there then :p
I really don't see myself doing what he did today. 15+ hr flight, then taking the field right away. Well, he can finally get some sleep now...


And well done Mashrafe, well lead.
 
Man!! Why did I not watch today's match!!
 
How lucky Bangladesh, even Zimbabwe would have defended 237 against a 10 man England side.

Ridiculous celebrations, as if they've won their first ever game in cricket.

dude just stfu. Why wont the celebrate? 1st in against Eng. 1st win in Eng. 1st win in 250 days (cricinfo said), 1st win under Mashrafe. You act like your mom never hugged you. Stop being so emo.



"We have lost 20 games in a row, and as a captain I have to lift the other 14 guys."
Bangladesh's captain, Mashrafe Mortaza, is taking the responsibility of lifting his team on his own shoulders
- That was Mashrafe yesterday. Something that the coach and ex young skipper Shakib failed to do.
 
Hopefully that is the end of Yardy batting so high up in the order.

Trott not to blame, held everything together and everyone knows he is not a finisher, without him it would have been even more humiliating
 
I really feel bad for Bangladesh cricket after the Tri Series of Zimbabwe.

Zimbabwe were ofcourse playing the future of cricket but Zimbabwe will to have their future.

Bangladesh is counted the best and hence people do not send usually a second side team.

If Bangladesh have won today then let them celebrate. Even Pakistan did after lots of time against the Aussies.

This win is more special as it's 1st ever against then English side breaking 20 loss trauma :)

Well done Tigers!!
 
Magnificent. Now that is some embarrassment for England, losing to Bangladesh in your own backyard, but well done you Bangles!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :happy:happy:happy

Gotta say, this match had the worst commentary ive heard in a long time, incredibly biased and arrogant from the England guys, even in the last over all they were concerned with was Trott's ton, big silence periods in the last few overs, get a grip guys, you arent the best team in the world.
 

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