England in India

Who will win this series?

  • India win both tests and ODIs

    Votes: 74 52.5%
  • India wins Tests, England wins ODIs

    Votes: 6 4.3%
  • England wins Tests, India wins ODIs

    Votes: 15 10.6%
  • Test Series Drawn, India wins ODIs

    Votes: 27 19.1%
  • Test Series Drawn, England wins ODIs

    Votes: 5 3.5%
  • England win both tests and ODIs

    Votes: 14 9.9%

  • Total voters
    141
MUFC1987 said:
I wouldn't go that far, we've just lost our 4th Wicket for 160 runs, which isn't bad, we should be able to post 350 easily enough and with only 6 batsmen, I'd be worried if I were India.

Bearing in mind that next in is Geraint Jones and then we're into the tail (no "all rounder" like Blackwell) I wouldn't be too confident. Our tails been a lot stronger in recent times but I'd rather they could throw the bat with a platform of 350 than find themselves in when we've not yet got 250.
 
Both not out batsmen are highly dangerous! Collingwood fought superbly at Nagpur and Flintoff is becoming a evergreen hero with the bat and ball. So I would say England are not out of the game at this moment! They are very much in, but the advantage is with India, thats all. Jones might not be expected to fail always.
 
Definitely. I'd be disappointed if we didn't get 350/400 but Munaf Patel looks useful and we can't keep relying on the same players.

m_vaughan said:
I am expecting the England bowlers to do well on this wicket.

Why do you say that? Until Patel made it reverse there's been nothing there.
 
I don't think the Indian batting line-up is all that weak. We bat down to number 6 in terms of specialist batsmen (including Dhoni). Pathan is an all-rounder in the making. Harbhajan can throw his bat around for some last-minute runs, Kumble can apply himself if required. Piyush has been touted as a future all-rounder and Munaf even has a domestic 50. It's all different in international conditions, of course, but our tail can definitely contribute with the bat. That is what often rescued us against Sri Lanka, in fact.

Irfan Pathan, top score: 93, 50s: 5 (test matches)
Anil Kumble, top score: 88, 50s: 4 (test matches)
Harbhajan Singh, top score: 66, 50s: 2 (test matches)
Piyush Chawla, top score: 60, 50s: 3 (first class)
Munaf Patel, top score: 78, 50s: 1 (first class)

So, there is hope. Pathan averages close to 30, Harbhajan and Kumble add up to about 30 more. Piyush averages 25 in first class and Munaf averages 17. If we dare to take the risk of adding those up, they add up to around 100. So, going by solely averages, this bottom order is quite capable to add a few useful runs.

Compare this to England:

Harmison averages 11, Hoggard averages 8, Plunkett averages 21 (FC), Panesar averages 8 (FC). Only Plunkett has got a half-century, and that too in first class cricket. So the extra batsman could well be negated in that method, looking ONLY AT AVERAGES (probably not what will actually happen). However, playing a specialist batsman is always helpful since they can turn the tide of the match, something that our all-round tail is unlikely to do too often.
 
Drewska said:
Another key factor is that England's batting order is longer than India's, as they have 5 bowlers.


India's batting order is not all that short. Considering that we have a good batsman in our wicketkeeper and an allrounder in Pathan, we have only 4 guys who arent that good. England too have that many. So, I dont see any advantage...
 
varunvgiri said:
India's batting order is not all that short. Considering that we have a good batsman in our wicketkeeper and an allrounder in Pathan, we have only 4 guys who arent that good. England too have that many. So, I dont see any advantage...

And we have Kumble who fought his way to a gritty half century in just the previous test on a similar wicket. We have Piyush who made 25* in a score of 71 all out by the Indian juniors in the U-19 world cup final (and he has good scores in domestic circuit too with 3 half centuries). we have Munaf Patel whose highest in first class cricket is 78. Harbhajan has two half centuries against his name. So our tail is exactly not a tail. It has some batsmen who can bat!
 
The match is starting 30 minutes early today. Can't wait to see Manuf!!!!!!!!
 
Kratz said:
The match is starting 30 minutes early today. Can't wait to see Manuf!!!!!!!!

I wish not to overhype our bowlers when they start a day in a good position. they tend to mess it up. i cant see another messing up on day 2. we need to hit our straps very early and look to prise the english out!
 
saisrini said:
And we have Kumble who fought his way to a gritty half century in just the previous test on a similar wicket. We have Piyush who made 25* in a score of 71 all out by the Indian juniors in the U-19 world cup final (and he has good scores in domestic circuit too with 3 half centuries). we have Munaf Patel whose highest in first class cricket is 78. Harbhajan has two half centuries against his name. So our tail is exactly not a tail. It has some batsmen who can bat!
All mentioned in my post above. :)
Kratz said:
The match is starting 30 minutes early today. Can't wait to see Manuf!!!!!!!!
Not sure if anyone has corrected you yet, but its Munaf, not Manuf.

What a brilliant delivery to pick up #498!
 
Kumble gets a beauty! and what a way to dismiss Collingwood. I'm listening to the commentary, i wish i saw the ball live.
2 more to go, for Kumble!
 
And to tell you guys it's not Munaf it is Mrunaf. And guess what he's muslim though I mean Half Hindu and Muslim. That's what my uncle told me just came from India. Cause Patel is mostly gujurati people.
 
Yes, patel's are most from Gujrat.
Another spoilsport in the game, bad light has forced players to retreat to the pavillion. Its not a common thing in India, especially during the spring-summer time. The weather is playing games everywhere in the world though.

Apart from Kumble's strike and couple of strokes from Flintoff, there is nothing fabulous about the first session.
 

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