England National football team thread

No doubt in their prime Rio has more to his game than JT, but right now I would have Terry ahead of him

It's all a bit irrelevant anyway with terry retiring and Rio seemingly not in Roy's plans

I don't see either as a loss tbh, there time has gone now, and we need to build for the future and both of those signify past failures

And I don't feel our defence is our biggest worry, I see our lack of keeping the ball and movement plus what to do with Rooney as biggest problem right now

Also could Crouchy deserve a recall or what??
 
No doubt in their prime Rio has more to his game than JT, but right now I would have Terry ahead of him

It's all a bit irrelevant anyway with terry retiring and Rio seemingly not in Roy's plans

I don't see either as a loss tbh, there time has gone now, and we need to build for the future and both of those signify past failures

And I don't feel our defence is our biggest worry, I see our lack of keeping the ball and movement plus what to do with Rooney as biggest problem right now

Also could Crouchy deserve a recall or what??


Well yea i won't disagree if someone says its time to move on to the next generation for the defence. That is certainly a legitimate suggestion.

But what worries me is that the young/other options are either not first team regular, don't inspire great confidence etc. Lets look at what we have:

Lescott - Personally i think he is too slow for international level and unlike Terry he is very nervy on the ball. Mancini doesn't seem to trust him in big games at the moment even.

Cahill - Arguably the best young defender we have. Fairly quick, comfortable on the ball. Should be starting for England.


Caulkner - The next best young option after Cahill in my opinion. He has impressed in his last two games for Spurs, so i'm hoping that is a sign that ABV will make him a permanent starter now. Potentially Caulker/Cahill could be the partnership that could be starting in Brazil.

Jaigelka - Doesn't always look comfortable bringing the ball out of defence, but along with Lescott is the most experience defender in the country now that Terry is gone and Ferdinand future uncertain.

Would have him the squad for sure, but not as a starter.


Michael Dawson -Always liked the look of him, but he is suffering from lack of first team chances @ Spurs. Could become a England 1st choice if he moves to another club by January who will make him play every week.

Shawcross - Captain of a very physical stoke team. He is certain worth a look in these days to see if he may be international quality.

Micah Richards - Based on how he played in the Olympics as a central defender i think he should be used their more often. He ticks all the bases especially when it comes to pace.

Smalling and Jones - Both of the two United boys have to come back strong from injury, since based on the evidence of last season they haven't stepped up from under-21 level as well as most would have liked.


Keeping the ball is certainly England's biggest problem that needs to be addressed. Which is why whenever Wilshire returns, i believe England should adapt a more 4-3-1-2 formation like this:


----------Cleverley/Shelvey----Carrick-------Wilshire----------------

-------------------------------Gerrard-----------------------------

---------------------Rooney-------------Defoe-----------------------

Such a formation would force us to pass the ball better. Carrick to try and play the role of Pirlo/Xavi for us. While i think youngsters like Cleverley, Shelvey have shown enough this season that they have enough technical ability to make this formation work.

Wing options like Young, Sterling, Lennon, A Johnson, Bertrand, Ox-Chamberlain, Walcott should all be relegated to sub options (depending on who is in form). Since all have pace to burn, but sometimes their end products isn't always consistent enough over 90 minutes.

If England master this possession style of play en route to 2014, then i would say Crouch really wouldn't suite playing for England going forward. Since regardless of how many goals he scores - his style would take us back to the long-ball sickness that we trying to get rid of.

Plus i would say even if we need a plan B option to have a big target man striker, just in case on some day we may be struggling to break down a team. I'd pick Carroll over Crouch.
 
Jenkinson has been bloody amazing this season, he has to be close to an international call-up now, especially seeing as Sterling got one (Jenkinson is in the same boat, his international future has to be tied down in case he chooses Finland).

He's a great athlete, strong and fast, he heads the ball well and distributes the ball well. He has the 9th most passes per game in the league. He's a rock defensively and good going forward too, he's already picked up a couple of assists this season with some really accurate crosses.

His improvement in the last season is staggering. He was our best player against Chelsea. a year ago he was fresh from playing for Charlton in League 1, and not even as first choice. Now it looks like he'll keep Sagna out of the team.
 
Jenkinson has been bloody amazing this season, he has to be close to an international call-up now, especially seeing as Sterling got one (Jenkinson is in the same boat, his international future has to be tied down in case he chooses Finland).

He's a great athlete, strong and fast, he heads the ball well and distributes the ball well. He has the 9th most passes per game in the league. He's a rock defensively and good going forward too, he's already picked up a couple of assists this season with some really accurate crosses.

His improvement in the last season is staggering. He was our best player against Chelsea. a year ago he was fresh from playing for Charlton in League 1, and not even as first choice. Now it looks like he'll keep Sagna out of the team.

Ye i recently noticed that Jenkinson could play for England and most certainly Hodgson should try and get him.

Adds further depth to England right-back position (Walker, Kelly, Richards) and further reason why Glen Johnson should no longer be first choice right back.

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Rio Ferdinand and John Terry have given England manager Roy Hodgson a huge void to fill at centre-back - Telegraph

Alan Hansen summarises England's defensive woes pretty well here.
 
Yeah that was a good read, shows the lack of future planning for England.
 
BBC Sport - Liverpool winger Raheem Sterling called up to England U21 squad

I surely hope the fact that Caulker has been picked in the under-21's is a sign that maybe Ferdinand will be recalled.


However i do think Sterling and Shelvey have done enough this season to be in the senior squad right now. Sterling frankly has been the form English winger this season along with Lennon, while Shelvey has been very solid under Rogers who values players with high technical skill.

Jack Butland however deserves to be relegated to the under 21s, would say he was lucky to get an England debut recently.
 
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BBC Sport - England call up Ryan Shawcross and Aaron Lennon

Although it was expected, very disappointed that Ferdinand has been overlooked. I don't see why Ferdinand wouldn't be fit enough or good enough as a defender when Brazil 2014 comes around.

Otherwise its a fair squad. Hopefully Wilshire gets playing soon and Shelvey continues to impress @ Liverpool since we need to get Milner out of all future England squads. Maybe even Leon Osman could have been picked ahead of Milner, if Hodgson wanted a hard-working player who can put in a hard shift, since the Everton man is actually playing in a team that is doing well.

Good to see Gibbs recalled, although its harsh of Bertrand. Suddenly Ash Cole solid left-back competition for the first time in his career i reckon.

Fingers crossed no injuries will cause anyone to pull out this weekend.

With the Poland away game being the major game here, i'm hoping this is the starting line=up:


----------------------------Hart------------------------------

Walker-------------Jaigelka--------Cahill-----------------A Cole

-----------Lampard--------Carrick------Cleverley---------------

-------------------------Gerrard-------------------------------

--------------Defoe-----------------Rooney--------------------
 
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I don't really see how it was a public relations disaster? More like the press being annoyed they might not have heard a story first :p Still, completely blown out of proportion yet again. He spoke to people like a person and like they were people. He didn't even say what has been reported. The tabloid press really are scum, they'd find a story at the bottom of a pile of ---- if they thought it would make them enough money.

You ask why Rio wouldn't be good enough come 2014? Well he's not good enough now in 2012 and doesn't really look like getting any better over the next 2 years. He looks horribly exposed when up against anyone with any kind of pace, and is playing in a Man U side that's leaking goals. Hardly the sort of form that warrants a recall.
 
I don't really see how it was a public relations disaster? More like the press being annoyed they might not have heard a story first :p Still, completely blown out of proportion yet again. He spoke to people like a person and like they were people. He didn't even say what has been reported. The tabloid press really are scum, they'd find a story at the bottom of a pile of ---- if they thought it would make them enough money.

Well yes it certainly it a scum article for the tabloids which is why it became a
PR disaster for him and the The FA.

We know how disgusting our media can be and i'm surprised if Hodgson wanted to go around England to watch a game, that he would have to/be allowed take the tube instead of company transportation - just in case something like that occurred.

You ask why Rio wouldn't be good enough come 2014? Well he's not good enough now in 2012 and doesn't really look like getting any better over the next 2 years. He looks horribly exposed when up against anyone with any kind of pace, and is playing in a Man U side that's leaking goals. Hardly the sort of form that warrants a recall.

All these talk about talk about Ferdinand being exposed about pace suddenly after Bale run at him and suddenly people forget that just a week ago he handled another pacy and extremely tricky striker in Suarez, very capably.

This is without considering the fact that it was United's mid-field who failed abysmally to close Bale down en route to his goal, which was the problem far more than any deficiency Rio may have.

He also has to deal with in the absence of Vidic a right-back in Rafael who is poor defensively and Evra who is showing much signs of decline.


Sure Ferdinand isn't as his peak pace wise compared to the middle of the decade. But expect for Micah Richards and maybe Caulker, their is no English central defender in the premiership who is quicker over the ground than Rio right now.

While none of them are as composed on the ball as him with regards to their ability to bring the ball out from defence. This area was very much exposed versus Ukraine in the recent qualifier and Rio's presence would have aided in addressing that problem now and in Brazil 2014, presuming England qualify.
 
There's nothing particularly shocking there. Players spend the vast majority of their time with their clubs, and it's them they earn their living from, so you might expect them to put the club before the country. As a fan, I'd take Norwich winning a trophy over England winning a trophy. That attitude is not new for a fan so it is no surprise it is similar for a young player.
 

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