England Tour Of Bangladesh 2010

[Lee1981]

i only follow the english national team do not watch much other cricket so perhaps you have more knowledge of tredwells bowling than i do, but until he is given a go it is surely to early to judge him, i mean swann was given a chance and we all know how that turned out so you never know.

 

[War]

i only follow the english national team do not watch much other cricket so perhaps you have more knowledge of tredwells bowling than i do, but until he is given a go it is surely to early to judge him, i mean swann was given a chance and we all know how that turned out so you never know.

I dont think its too early to judge him. I've seen a fair bit of him & has i mentioned before he is journey county pro basically. He averages 36 in FC cricket, which basically tells you the whole story about him. Thats not the sort of FC bowling average that would get one excited about a players chances of being a international success.

The spin cupboard in England is crap behind Swann. Atlhough the only/main reason Tredwell was picked because he seemingly impressed the selectors on the lions tours recently & a decent FC season in the poor Division 2. As i said he could be useful againts Bangladesh, but againts the other major teams i dont see him being effective. If god forbin Swann was to even get injured, England should always play 4-seamers - it would be a joke if they play 3 quicks + Tredwell in a test.


Graeme Swann's situation was different. Before he was recalled in 2007, after 8 years away from the national team. Was because he had improved significantly in domestic cricket. Swann was already the best domestic List A spin bowlers when he recalled vs Sri Lanka 07/08 - so his selection was based on performaces - rather than just him being "given a token chance".

Then after he impressed in ODIs, he was given a chance in tests & he basically just adapted to it beautifully & to date he has become a very solid off-spinner.

 

[Lee1981]

Fair enough as i said before my domestic knowledge is very limited so i shall take your word for it on tredwell, as you seem to be quite knowledgeable on the county scene is there anyone coming up through to potentially claim a place in the test or odi team as an off spinner or are we overly reliant on swann for the next few years to stay on song and injury free.

 

[pcfan123]

To add to Lee's query, is there anyone in county cricket who is an out and out pace bowler?

 

[War]

Fair enough as i said before my domestic knowledge is very limited so i shall take your word for it on tredwell, as you seem to be quite knowledgeable on the county scene is there anyone coming up through to potentially claim a place in the test or odi team as an off spinner or are we overly reliant on swann for the next few years to stay on song and injury free.

EXTREMELY reliant on Swann staying fit & on song. Adil Rashid has alot of work to do if is going to ever becoming real international quality. Since him being axed from this tour to Bangladesh, shows that the selectors haven't been impressed by him to date.

While Panesar has gone completely backwards.

To add to Lee's query, is there anyone in county cricket who is an out and out pace bowler?

Nope. Thats a next problem with England as well. A stark lack of upcoming 90 mph bowlers on the domestic circuit.

The old dogs who are of 90 mph in Harmison, S Jones & Flintoff for obvious reasons wont play test cricket again.

 

[Sureshot]

Swann indeed may be one of the most productive spinners in the world right now & for England's sake lets hope he maintains that standard for a while yet. But compared to the quality England off-spinners of the past that my gramps was talking about like Illingworth, Allen & Titmus. Plus from the 1950s in the great Jim Laker & Roy Tattersal, I think its fair to say Swanneh is just a level below them.

Tredwell is ok, nothing special, just a county journeyman player. He is one of of those players who just looks like he might be useful certain circumstances in international cricket.

The overall point is the the potential Swann/Tredwell combination is a drop in quality to past England off-spin bowlers.

We've been here many a times on PC, you cannot compare eras 50 years apart in sport.

 

[King Pietersen]

To add to Lee's query, is there anyone in county cricket who is an out and out pace bowler?

Yes, there are bowlers that bowl 90mph in England, the problem isn't the pace though, it's what they do with their pace. There isn't really a good FC 90mph bowler in England. You've got Saj Mahmood, Liam Plunkett (Bowled quick last year, and according to all reports has been looking quick on tour with England, sure he'd be timed at 90 in England/NZ/Aus/SA), Stuart Meaker, Graham Napier, Stephen Harmison and I believe Jade Dernbach's pace was around the 90mph mark last season. Those guys are all bowling 90mph or around that sort of speed, but they're either not accurate enough, or not doing enough with the ball to be good enough for International cricket. I'm certainly interested in Meaker, he seems a real talent and is genuinely quick. I doubt the others will have much International success, bar possibly Dernbach in ODi's if he continues to take wickets at a decent rate in List A cricket.

 

[War]

We've been here many a times on PC, you cannot compare eras 50 years apart in sport.

It depends. In cricket i dont think the game has changed that much in the last 50 years, when it comes to players ability especially. That is impossible to compare then.

I would say the level & style of cricket has been fairly similar between the post 1960s to now:

- A regular diet of two new-ball bowlers of the 80-90 mph vs openers.

- change in the lbw rule.

- Introduction of helmets

- elimination of timeless tests

- 6 ball pers over in all natiosn except for AUS in the 60s & 70s

- No uncovered wickets, except the last phase of it in England during the 60s.

Comparing post war is the problem.

 

[McLOVIN]

Free hit

 

[pcfan123]

The bats also dramatically improved in the 90s

 

[McLOVIN]

White ball

 

[McLOVIN]

Stuart Broad hopes to regain fitness for the first Test | Cricket News | Bangladesh v England 2009/10 | Cricinfo.com

LOL pussy! Other teams toured Gong in the past, no body complained. And foam's gonna make things even worse for him.

BTW Collingwood apologized after he was taken to golf courses in Dhaka and Gong. :laugh He was amazed

 

[McLOVIN]

at 16

today.

 

[pcfan123]

Stuart Broad hopes to regain fitness for the first Test | Cricket News | Bangladesh v England 2009/10 | Cricinfo.com

LOL pussy! Other teams toured Gong in the past, no body complained. And foam's gonna make things even worse for him.

BTW Collingwood apologized after he was taken to golf courses in Dhaka and Gong. :laugh He was amazed

Dude link me to the Colly article.

I feel for Broad though, most fast bowlers have problems because of sleeping on hotel mattresses, its nothing new.

 

[Owzat]

I dont think its too early to judge him. I've seen a fair bit of him & has i mentioned before he is journey county pro basically. He averages 36 in FC cricket, which basically tells you the whole story about him. Thats not the sort of FC bowling average that would get one excited about a players chances of being a international success.

The spin cupboard in England is crap behind Swann. Atlhough the only/main reason Tredwell was picked because he seemingly impressed the selectors on the lions tours recently & a decent FC season in the poor Division 2. As i said he could be useful againts Bangladesh, but againts the other major teams i dont see him being effective. If god forbin Swann was to even get injured, England should always play 4-seamers - it would be a joke if they play 3 quicks + Tredwell in a test.


Graeme Swann's situation was different. Before he was recalled in 2007, after 8 years away from the national team. Was because he had improved significantly in domestic cricket. Swann was already the best domestic List A spin bowlers when he recalled vs Sri Lanka 07/08 - so his selection was based on performaces - rather than just him being "given a token chance".

Then after he impressed in ODIs, he was given a chance in tests & he basically just adapted to it beautifully & to date he has become a very solid off-spinner.

Age 28, FC matches 88 - says it all. I just hope he's not another Salisbury/Dawson/Patel/Such/Schofield etc (thrown in, not persisted with or really anything special)

Owzat added 2 Minutes and 40 Seconds later...

because he's a part-timer they might be looking to retain an element of surprise. With guys like him sometimes it's the change up and the fact the batsman hasn't really any idea what to expect that breaks the partnership.

Why give bangladesh, and guys like raqibul and siddique who will be playing in the tests the benefit of a look?

I'm sure Trott is less of a "surprise" than that tactic might suggest. Why play any of our main bowlers in that theory?!?

I see they did give KP the number three slot (as predicted/able) and he made nothing worth mention. Maybe we should have left KP out so the bowlers didn't get practice getting him out! :laugh