England Tour Of Bangladesh 2010

[Iridium]

Game over, and sorry to sound like a broken record but Cook is a pathetic captain.

I agree. It's going to a be a sad day in English cricket when Strauss gives up the captaincy and it's handed over to Cook.

Swann so close to a 10fer. Just one wicket.

 

[pcfan123]

It won't, if the selectors have any brains they will drop their grudge against KP and give him the captaincy. Hopefully even before Strauss retires. I can't take much more of this negative cricket. Only bad thing about winning the Ashes is that Strauss is going to be captain for a long time now

 

[age of the fall]

Swan gets 10!

Nice fight by Bangla here.

 

[Owzat]

Well done Swanny, first 10fer in Tests. Bit of a struggle, shame Bangladesh can't put up consistent resistence but at least they followed through my prediction - Swann to get two, seamers to pick up tailenders. It was an inexperienced bowling line-up with just 48 Test caps between them including this Test - Broad 27, Swann 17, Bresnan 3 and Finn 1. Swann was the standout bowler, the rest should be doing a bit better given the opposition

10/217 Swann (ave 21.70, SR 47.1, ER 2.76)
4/135 Bresnan (ave 33.75, SR 73.5, ER 2.76)
3/135 Broad (ave 45.00, SR 90.0, ER 3.00)
2/95 Finn (ave 47.50, SR 96.0, ER 2.97)


Ignoring England batting, Bangladesh showed only pockets of resistance, hopefully the below will show how up and down their performance is in the same Test

1st Innings - 51/3 then 94 for the 4th wicket, then 38/4 and 113 for the 8th wicket before 0/3 to finish the innings off

2nd Innings - 110/5 then 167 for the 6th wicket, then limited resistance in 54/5 to end the innings.

Three big partnerships of 90+ in the match, 374 runs (average 125) in those three partnerships and a meagre 253 for the other 17 partnerships (average 15)

 

[McLOVIN]

With only two regular bowlers in the side Bangladesh's usual trick of pockets of resistance was bound to happen. That said I think Bangladesh may have lost the first half, but are ahead on points in the second half

2? 3.. Razzak is a specialist spinner, not AR. Though he was never really good at Test, idk what's he doing here. So in that case ya, 2 regular bowlers

 

[Iridium]

WoOo! Well done Swann! 10fer! Well deserved. Bangladesh put up fights here and there but are still some way off, but they've definitely made good progress over the last 12 months or so.

 

[Owzat]

It won't, if the selectors have any brains they will drop their grudge against KP and give him the captaincy. Hopefully even before Strauss retires. I can't take much more of this negative cricket. Only bad thing about winning the Ashes is that Strauss is going to be captain for a long time now

Can't agree about giving KP the captaincy, there's no sense in it. He could end up being a disruptive influence, his ego may well try to control too much and he should just focus on his batting. He has the potential to be one of the best batsmen ever, if he realises that then he may actually realise that. ie when he wakes up, stops poncing about with switch hits and trying to hit bowlers out of the attack too early, maybe he will add the weight of runs or "realise his talent" in both senses, realising he could do better and then making it a reality.

Strauss is an ok captain, the only possible better candidate I can see in the current side is Collingwood or maybe Trott if he settles into the side and picks up form again. I think some may need to take stock of the fact that Flintoff is no more, we won the Ashes in 2009 without Flintoff while his 20 odd wickets and 402 runs in 2005 were a big factor in the win - not Vaughan's craptaincy.

And talking of Flintoff, look what happened when he was made captain.......................... was it P11 W2 D2 L7 ? (drew in India, drew at home to Sri Lanka and lost 0-5 in Australia) That said the Ashes series of 06/07 demonstrated the importance of performances of individuals over captaincy, we had good positions but lost them because our batting let us down. Flintoff is criticised for his 551/6d, it was the dropped catch by Giles that cost us a chance of a win and the 2nd innings capitulation of 129 all out

Why we lost the Ashes 06/07 aka why five bowlers down under is a no no for the next Ashes

1st Test - 1st innings 157 all out
2nd Test - 2nd innings 129 all out
3rd Test - 1st innings 215 all out
4th Test - 1st innings 159 all out, 2nd innings 161 all out
5th Test - 2nd innings 147 all out

5th Test had a batting 6-11 of Flintoff, Panesar (nightwatchman for Read!), Read, Mahmood, Harmison, Anderson. Yet some pundits, Vaughan among them, reckon we need five bowlers down under next time! :doh The cliche is "catches win matches", well in fact the only true statement in terms of "you have to take 20 wickets" etc is that you have to score more runs than your opponent. You can win without taking lots or all of your catches, you can win without taking 20 wickets, but no side has ever won a Test by scoring less runs than their opponents (maybe via D/L in limited overs, but not Tests - yet)

And if anyone thinks that was then, this is now, well the batting line-up down under in 06/07 contained Pietersen, Collingwood, Bell, Cook and Strauss of whom all will probably be in the tour party barring injury. We may have last won down under with five bowlers, but we had Botham in the side, the keeper Richards scored 264 runs and FOUR of the batsmen made 300+ runs in the series. Unless we unearth a Botham in the next six months I suggest we don't have the all-rounder necessary to make five bowlers even worth considering

Owzat added 1 Minutes and 58 Seconds later...

2? 3.. Razzak is a specialist spinner, not AR. Though he was never really good at Test, idk what's he doing here. So in that case ya, 2 regular bowlers

So much for you not reading my posts! :laugh:doh

And congratulations for misreading what I was saying, I was talking about ENGLAND only having two regular bowlers (Broad and Swann) and the "pockets of resistance" were Bangladesh batsmen. Take your Bangles spectacles off, most England fans aren't so wrapped up in your side that they would be commenting on the make-up of your side more than passing reference ie need X quality players

 

[angryangy]

5 bowlers isn't by definition a useless strat, but if that was your first view of the England team, you'd say they had no specialist bowlers and maybe 5 specialist batsmen. It was a under-prepared, disorganised team.

 

[Slowcoach]

5 bowlers would be ok with Swann, Broad, and Bresnan all being more than handy with the bat.

As for this Test, 4 bowlers looked a bit light, but the end justifies the means.

 

[khalek]

Great bowling by Swann, he's really been a key performer for England over the last year or so.

 

[Dutch]

Treadwell to come in for the next test?? Need two spinners me thinks....

 

[War]

England can nver play 5 bowlers again now that Flintoff has retired. It always has to be Anderson/Onions/Broad + Swann. A honest attack - but nothing spectacular.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

Ignoring England batting, Bangladesh showed only pockets of resistance, hopefully the below will show how up and down their performance is in the same Test

This was the major concern for me. Some good passages of play from bangladesh were being shown, but when? after they'd conceded a lead of 600 runs and were 3 wickets down?

same in their second innings, it was really poor that 3 of the top order got starts and then didn't make any sort of contribution when looking for a draw.

They need to perform when it matters. Fielding first was limp as well, they need to start putting pressure on their batsmen to perform. It's all very well picking the guys making decent scores every now and again but they're not even giving themselves a chance to see those knocks in context.

 

[McLOVIN]

Siddique is no good for #3, he made that ugly 50 against India, a streaky 100 yestarday. Kayes should be dropped, Siddique should open. idk who should bat at #3, but Rahim should if he gives up his keeping. Rokibul 4, Riyad 5, Shakib 6, Naeem 7, reserved keeper 8, Haq Jr, Shafiul, Rubel.

 

[Slowcoach]

I worry about England's attack next summer in Australia, they are really going to struggle to take wickets. Swann might do ok, but the rest will be all but useless unless there is rain or heavy cloud cover around.

I'll probably get laughed at for this, but Saj Mahmood is your best bet to take wickets here next summer. He actually did ok compared to the others last time round.

Finn might go alright.