English Football Thread 2012/2013

Who will win the 2012/13 Premier League?

  • Manchester City

    Votes: 9 25.0%
  • Manchester Utd

    Votes: 19 52.8%
  • Arsenal

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Spurs

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Newcastle

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Chelsea

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • Everton

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • Total voters
    36
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That first half was easily the best half of football Newcastle have played in recent memory, away from home at least. Brilliant going forward behind Ben Arfa - finally starting to show his potential in the Prem.

Hopefully Captain Colo's injury isn't too serious and we'll be back to full strength, (Tiote to return still!), next weekend against Lolerpool.
 
Nope, no, naw, please noooo....

Arsenal are welcome to 3rd as long as Spurs can still keep 4th. Personally I feel they are two of the best run clubs in the country and I personally would want both of them in the Champs League. Newcastle can have 5th though by all means :)
 
Champions League is out of sight but, like I said, Europa League is ours to lose now.
 
Nope, no, naw, please noooo....

Arsenal are welcome to 3rd as long as Spurs can still keep 4th. Personally I feel they are two of the best run clubs in the country and I personally would want both of them in the Champs League. Newcastle can have 5th though by all means :)

Sorry I'm just a Spurs hater.
 
That's because you're an Arsenal fan and they don't run on rational thought.

I may think they're a fantastically run club, but they have one of the worst sets of fans in the country, fickle, quiet and they really do only sing when they're winning.
 
That's because you're an Arsenal fan and they don't run on rational thought.

I may think they're a fantastically run club, but they have one of the worst sets of fans in the country, fickle, quiet and they really do only sing when they're winning.

It's the same with Spurs fans man.

I once saw a group of Spurs fans on another site supporting a guy suggesting Bale should be traded for Messi + money if Barca wanted him, and similar demands elsewhere.

Also the day before the north London derby all the articles talking about a combined north london XI and everyone saying van Persie + Tottenham or a full Tottenham team. Then we won:lol.

It's stuff like that that screams how Tottenham fans are the most delusional in the country.

It's sort of a given with Arsenal fans. There are too many guys that were gloryhunters around 03-04 that started supporting them after the Invincibles, they don't know crap and will talk only when they log into ESPN Soccernet and see a win. The true Arsenal fans are not like that.

It's like that with most Man Utd fans these days as well (e.g. Yuvraj Singh saying on the eve of the Manchester derby "I hear Man Utd are playing Real Madrid tomorrow?"

Anyway, you wouldn't be a true Spurs fan if you didn't say that:p.
 
Heh, except at least we support our team, and don't boo the club just because we're going through a poor run of form with no full-backs and missing half your centre backs, the supposed most promising midfielder in the country injured, and unluckily the complete disappearance of Arshavin.

I was equally quick to tell Spurs fans that started talking about title challenges that they were idiots, and that Bale is an excellent left-winger, but Zidane (as he seems to think he is by playing wherever he wants) he is not! Oh, excellent at diving though, no Bobby Pires, but still mighty good ;) It's annoying, in that this year people thought we'd be out of it and had us down to finish 6th. Yet due to that fantastic run of form suddenly we were title contenders? To me there was always a blip coming, and it was how we recovered from it when it arrived. We were fortunate that Arsenal had so many injuries and issues, and that Chelsea seemed to implode, but as I kept saying, that wouldn't last, and at some point it would close back up again. Now I just hope we can keep it together until the end of the season, because if we don't finish top 4 it'll be the end of this Tottenham project. We'll lose the likes of Modric and Bale, possibly more, and without the Champs League won't be able to replace them without some incredibly good decisions on the sort of players that can become Modric, but equally can become Bilyaletidnov. Which, let's be honest, isn't likely to happen. Unfortunately, without a bigger stadium we also won't be making enough on gate receipts to cover the costs of rebuilding long term, and I only see a nigh on impossible task to maintain pace with the sides that will clearly strengthen whilst we can't. So, for me, this really is now a massive 8 games for Spurs, and the pressure on them far outreaches anything that pointless pundits like Hansen (guaranteed to predict whatever happens that week haha) or Pleat or time and time again, Shearer.

Oh, and you can't judge random football fans by the internet. I'm actually using my actual mates (seeing as I lived in North London for 20 years) for this analysis. Nearly every single one of them turned on Wenger, most of them are season ticket holders (which certainly explains the lack of noise!). This year despite me continually asking who would come in and do a better job I got nothing. Apparently one of them suggest Deschamps, at which point I had to leave before I pissed myself :p Every week, every status was "Wenger out!" To which my response was to always post that whenever they won heh There were one or two good eggs, but those years of success, as you alluded to, brought a lot of terrible fans to Arsenal, although, let's not pretend your last stadium wasn't known as the Library for good reason.

Funnily enough what would be a combined XI? Why not.

Sczewhateverny
Walker, Kaboul, Vermaelan?, Gibbs?
Lennon, Parker (Wilshere if he'd played football in a year), Modric, VDV, Bale,
RVP.

I'd like to get Rosicky in there, because he's been awesome lately, but I think that's a fairly close looking side. Sagna and Walker are probably fairly interchangeable, but as it goes, I'd say both sides are pretty similar at the moment. I keep saying it, I like football, not geography.

So whilst Arsenal continue to be a club that try and play football the right way, run themselves financially the right way, give youth a chance, and don't rashly sack a manager who is pretty much the only reason everyone hasn't left, I have full respect for them and wish them every success. Just bugs me that the people that then get to enjoy that success seem to mostly be miserable buggers who think it's some kind of god-given right.

I guess a part of me sometimes hopes that Arsenal fans see the same thing, but so few of them do. I'd much rather both clubs finished above City and Chelsea, who are most definitely not doing anything to enrich the game of football other than by paying people ridiculous wages and skewing the entire system.

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Oh, and what the hell! At christmas I did assume that RVP would get injured at some point guaranteeing Spurs finishing above Arsenal, but what the hell??? The man's ridiculous :yes
 
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Haha well you obviously know a lot more about football and fans than me. I've never been to Britain, I've never been to a football stadium to watch a game, here or anywhere else. And I don't discuss the game a whole lot with mates. Just a little here and there.

My mates are a bit of a joke really. One of them, when Liverpool won the League Cup he decided he'd change supporting club as he reckons it would've been the last time Liverpool got success for a while. Another is an Arsenal fan, so ridiculously blind that he said Arshavin was his favourite player after van Persie, then I told him Arshavin got loaned out:p. So you can tell, it's mainly clowns that I have to talk to down here, the internet is really all I have if I want to discuss the game or look at others opinions so forgive me.

I'm not gonna lie, I do hate Spurs, though I do appreciate them as a club. I hate Man Utd more mind you due to the gloryhunters. Hate though, can mean different things to different people in football. I also hate Real and Barca, but love watching them play. I never had a problem with them, it's just been conditioned into me through the internet and knowing about 5 people who support Spurs in real life, all pricks (one, another blind guy, tried to say "Spurs are better and cooler cos Assou-Ekotto broke Sagna's leg". One of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

That's where it ends though. Obviously I have questioned Wenger's decision-making on occasion, but I have NEVER called for his head. I have always hated on Arshavin recently as I can't stand a player who dosen't put the effort in. i was quite critical of the early season form as I felt Wenger could've done more in the transfer market, but I was not of the recent bad patch. So I am not a blind gloryhunting fan or anything.

I would never take Lennon over Walcott. Both are pretty bad in my eyes though. I hate pacey players with no brains. This season:

Szczesny
Walker, Kaboul, Koscielny, Assou-Ekotto
Parker, Modric, VDV
Walcott, RVP, Bale

Rosicky can't get in based on just a few games. Same with Oxo. RW and LB are obvious weak points. Gibbs is a terrible choice, don't rate him at all. He's barely played this season and he's made more appearances this season than ever before (injuries and Clichy).

Overall:

Szczesny
Sagna, King, Vermaelen, Assou-Ekotto
Wilshere, Modric, VDV
Walcott, RVP, Bale

Arsenal haven't needed RVP lately, Vermaelen's been doing the job in front of goal:D. Bit worrying how he was joint second top-scorer until Walcott's goal this weekend.
 
Bit harsh on Lennon considering when fit we were almost top, he got injured and we're now 4th.

He's been immense this year, and a key reason for why we had balance to our side. Much more intelligent player all season without Crouch in there, he's been looking up and picking the right option.

That said, I do actually like Walcott and think he gets a lot of unfair stick by Arsenal fans. His pace forces defenders to play a bit deeper which in turn creates space for RVP in the middle.

With Spurs, when there is no Lennon, Bale gets doubled on, and then he starts to drift in completely taking away the space from Modric and VDV. Lately we've pretty much been playing 5 central midfielders.
 
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Bit harsh on Lennon considering when fit we were almost top, he got injured and we're now 4th.

He's been immense this year, and a key reason for why we had balance to our side. Much more intelligent player all season without Crouch in there, he's been looking up and picking the right option.

That said, I do actually like Walcott and think he gets a lot of unfair stick by Arsenal fans. His pace forces defenders to play a bit deeper which in turn creates space for RVP in the middle.

With Spurs, when there is no Lennon, Bale gets doubled on, and then he starts to drift in completely taking away the space from Modric and VDV. Lately we've pretty much been playing 5 central midfielders.

It's the same with Carroll. That sort of statistic is always nice, but dosen't say much. I can understand your reasoning though.

Yeah I just don't like Walcott. Even when he has a good performance I just consider it luck (though his touch this weekend was nice for the goal). I hate his wastefulness and how he wastes his pace. Plus how rarely he actually tries to fully threaten the fullbacks with his pace. The same can be said about Gervinho though, and for some reason me and some other Arsenal fans seem to be sympathising with him a bit much.

I'm of the opinion every single English player is overrated and overhyped.
 
Yeah ignore the statistic then, as you say by the same logic Carroll is good :p Lennons been very good this year, quite possibly our second/third most important player at times.
 
Yeah start whichever is fittest and then watch their left back cry when you swap them after 65 minutes :p

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Essentially I think Lennon's crossing is a bit better than Walcotts, but I think Walcott is better at finishing, but it's pretty neglible. I've always felt Theo should have been converted into a striker.
 
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