English Football Thread 2012/2013
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treva
ICC Chairman
Some points from the United game:
Anybody who thinks that 'handball' was handball is deluded (never understood how people think that if it hits the hand when the arm is tucked right next to the chest inside the body is handball. It would have hit him ffs).
Ashley Williams is a legend. Firstly, any defender is entitled to kick that ball, he did it in a split second of the ref blowing his whistle. He doesn't really look at RVP, not convinced it was intentional. Finally, I'd be kicking it at RVP anyway if I was back in my defending days. How is it any different to kicking the ball at players who block quick free kicks, that's not worthy of a red card or even a card.
Alex Ferguson is an absolute prick. 'Most dangerous thing he's seen' - ummm, you managed Roy Keane. 'He could've died' - Is he on crack? How? More likely to be killed by God coming down from the skies and murdering him than dying from that. Also, didn't he do a similar thing to Beckham in training?
Swansea did well to get a point. They looked pure quality for large periods of the game and defended superbly.
Anybody who thinks that 'handball' was handball is deluded (never understood how people think that if it hits the hand when the arm is tucked right next to the chest inside the body is handball. It would have hit him ffs).
Ashley Williams is a legend. Firstly, any defender is entitled to kick that ball, he did it in a split second of the ref blowing his whistle. He doesn't really look at RVP, not convinced it was intentional. Finally, I'd be kicking it at RVP anyway if I was back in my defending days. How is it any different to kicking the ball at players who block quick free kicks, that's not worthy of a red card or even a card.
Alex Ferguson is an absolute prick. 'Most dangerous thing he's seen' - ummm, you managed Roy Keane. 'He could've died' - Is he on crack? How? More likely to be killed by God coming down from the skies and murdering him than dying from that. Also, didn't he do a similar thing to Beckham in training?
Swansea did well to get a point. They looked pure quality for large periods of the game and defended superbly.
ste_mc_efc
Chairman of Selectors
no he isn't on crack. he's deliberately talking nonsense to take attention away the fact that a)they didn't win and b)that rooney's performance was utter bobbins.
MasterBlaster76
ICC Chairman
I think Sir Alex is thinking more along the lines of what could've happened if Williams had missed his kick - it does sometimes happen. A full blooded boot to RvP's head could've been very nasty indeed and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. I don't think it was malicious though.
As to how it's different to kicking the ball at players who block quick free kicks - are you for real? He blasted the ball at RvP's head at point blank range. It's hardly the same thing.
Swansea did do well, but on another day that could've been 3-1: we didn't just hit the bar once, we hit it twice. On top of that, Swansea's goal should never have happened as RvP was blatantly fouled in the run up to it. Swansea might have done well defensively, but they did just about nothing regarding attacking in the entire second half, so I don't think anyone could complain had Utd won the game.
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Well, anyone can have an off-day and Rooney certainly had one today. I would've taken him off a long time before he actually did, and definitely would've given RvP the ball for the free kick.
ste_mc_efc
Chairman of Selectors
no he wasn't at all. for williams to kick his head from there his leg would have to extend as if he was Gadget Man.
Dr. Pepper
Chairman of Selectors
Utd should have gone with the diamond formation today. Valencia is seriously lacking in confidence atm. Rooney is so unpredictable - just when you think he's finally found his form again, he produces crap like that.
treva
ICC Chairman
As to how it's different to kicking the ball at players who block quick free kicks - are you for real? He blasted the ball at RvP's head at point blank range. It's hardly the same thing.
Can guarantee you players have been hit in the face from standing in front of the ball for a free kick. Not hard to lift the ball that high from that distance when they kick it like they do.
Either way you look at it, he didn;t kick him in the head, it was a ball for fearsome tweak sake.
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He has been an absolute steal by Swansea. He is clearly too good for them & i'd love to see him called up for Spain.
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Wazza is in form, he just had a bad day like the majority of the united players, which can happen on the odd weekend in what is a marathon premier league season.
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Ye would have to agree. Both RVP & SAF over-exaggerated to the entire incident.
Lee1981
International Coach
Tbh I'm never really that fussed who manages us, they never stay long enough to gain a real opinion of them.
The only one I didn't like at all was AVB, but funny enough I've really warmed to him now he is at spurs, and I'm glad he is doing a good job, he seems to have learnt from his failures at Chelsea
Luiz looks a lot better in that midfield role, was saying to my mate in the pub yesterday, if he could actually defend he would be the best defender in the world, I don't no any other defender who has the technique like him,
Maybe Rafa can turn him into a world class defender
Something's playing up on his mind. Being a no. 7 may be a cause. He used to tear up to the inside of the box or make a killer cross, that's what he was so successful at last season, now he just holds up the ball for other team mates and does a back pass or fails to dribble past off the defenders. Just need him out for a while, that might get his thinking right and simple again.
United were unlucky though, I don't know how the ref could miss such a handball from that close to the scene.
MasterBlaster76
ICC Chairman
Yes, players have been hit at the face, but not at point blank range. For kerpluck's sake.
BKB1991
Panel of Selectors
Lol it wasnt a handball.
Dont think Williams intended to hit VP but you can understand the latters frustration, at times it seemed like he was being molested haha
Dont think Williams intended to hit VP but you can understand the latters frustration, at times it seemed like he was being molested haha
MasterBlaster76
ICC Chairman
Rubbish. Had he missed the ball, he could easily have caught RvP's head. Let's put it like this, if a player's foot being too high construes dangerous play, how can someone's foot being so damn close to a player's head - especially when lying on the ground - not be the same? Both situations can lead to injury - both are dangerous play. Not fatally dangerous play as Sir Alex is saying, but still dangerous play.
Looks like the usual anti Man Utd crap is coming out here - I wonder what people would be saying had he played for someone else. Swansea, for example. Yes - what if a Utd player had blasted the ball point blank into a Swansea player's head? Watch how the opinions would change.
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It wasn't a handball for me - that's not the decision that cost us. The one that cost us was a referee somehow missing RvP being manhandled to the ground in the lead up to Swansea's goal. He didn't just clip him, he grabbed him and hauled him down - how a trained referee can miss something so bloody obvious is beyond me. Yet it happens every week to one team or another.
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