General Cricket Discussion

[mohit_dude10]

I often wonder why certain teams are good only at 1 format, like England and Sri Lanka for example. Sri Lankan batting has been really good in this ODI series apart from the 1st ODI but in the test series they found it so hard facing the same bowlers and English bowlers who bowled excellently in the test series are now unable to do the same in ODI's. Is it just the mindset of the team or what can be the reason why some teams just cant manage to do well in various formats.

 

[Gaurav_7]

I've been thinking the same for quite some time now. Just can't get to any conclusion whatsoever.

 

[Themer]

I'd put quite alot of it down to England's bowlers mentality of trying not to get hit in ODIs while they're after wickets in tests.

Also Tremlett isn't there.

 

[War]

I often wonder why certain teams are good only at 1 format, like England and Sri Lanka for example. Sri Lankan batting has been really good in this ODI series apart from the 1st ODI but in the test series they found it so hard facing the same bowlers and English bowlers who bowled excellently in the test series are now unable to do the same in ODI's. Is it just the mindset of the team or what can be the reason why some teams just cant manage to do well in various formats.

England ODI problems have been going on since the 1992 world-cup & its a simple lack of having a poor domestic cricket for limited overs cricket.

SRI well obviously in tests they are going to struggle now that Murali/Vaas/Malinga have retired from that format to take 20 test wickets, especially overseas.

50 years back no one in their straight mind would have wanted to play a 50 over game. It is the same. No one has time these days. T20 fits perfectly. Cricket was played by England and its former colonies. Most of the countries did not have a open market. Now the markets are open and more business involvement is inevitable. League based cricket is inevitable...resistance is futile

Nonsense. Cricket in its purest form in test cricket, i am 100% certain that that the majority of fans worldwide would never want see T20 cricket take precedence via league format. Utter codswallop.

Such a suggestion can only come from the realms of crazy BCCI world. Which i am beginning to think you secretly work for.

You said- Not just NZ have been marginalized.

They have been. Regardless of how average they have been, you are not helping their development as a test nation by limiting the amount of tests they play in the next decade vs top nations. Just because broadcasters see them as less commercially viable.

But again my point was about the windies. What do you have to say about the fact the unoffical IPL league for the next 8 years now will affect the "HOME" season for the west indies. Do you even find anything wrong that from now on, WI fans at some point over the next decade at home will have to sacrifice seeing their best players playing on home soil?????????

I did not say international cricket is going to cease to exist. It will still happen but the frequency of tours are going to be reduced and replaced with league games similar to football and Ice hockey.


Lol..another rude statement...anyway the market does not think like you IPL tournament rights were sold for around the same amount as all ICC tournaments I find games involving chennai and Banglore (two cities with a kind of frosty relationship) more interesting than Ind-WI.

I dont care what the markets think. T20 cricket must never gain such importance. It must all be the least more attractive format of cricket.

If new fans can never appreciate test cricket and a more inclined to T20s, then cricket is not the sport for them.

You say you enjoy Chennai vs Bangalore games more than IND vs WI. But i ask you if IND had sent it full strength team to the caribbean and Windies also were able to field their best XI away from WICB politics. Surely you would not have that feeling??

 

[teamindia]

Nonsense. Cricket in its purest form in test cricket, i am 100% certain that that the majority of fans worldwide would never want see T20 cricket take precedence via league format. Utter codswallop.

I never said test cricket is not the purest form of cricket. Having said that most tests are boring and not everyone has time to sit + watch for 5 days.

Such a suggestion can only come from the realms of crazy BCCI world. Which i am beginning to think you secretly work for.

No I work for ECB. I am planning on EPL

They have been. Regardless of how average they have been, you are not helping their development as a test nation by limiting the amount of tests they play in the next decade vs top nations. Just because broadcasters see them as less commercially viable.

So who is going to pay for all the expenses?

But again my point was about the windies. What do you have to say about the fact the unoffical IPL league for the next 8 years now will affect the "HOME" season for the west indies. Do you even find anything wrong that from now on, WI fans at some point over the next decade at home will have to sacrifice seeing their best players playing on home soil?????????

No. They have no money to pay their players competitively. They just need to evolve. While we can debate about the attitude of players and blame IPL, I am pretty sure if we get a better offer at work we would definitely accept it..

I dont care what the markets think. T20 cricket must never gain such importance. It must all be the least more attractive format of cricket. If new fans can never appreciate test cricket and a more inclined to T20s, then cricket is not the sport for them.

Unless you have a billion $$ in your pocket no one cares

You say you enjoy Chennai vs Bangalore games more than IND vs WI. But i ask you if IND had sent it full strength team to the caribbean and Windies also were able to field their best XI away from WICB politics. Surely you would not have that feeling??

Yes as I would not have been able to catch most of the stuff live. T20 is 3 hours. WI-INd is 5 days. Even the Eng-Ind game will be interesting in patches but as a whole irrespective of whether it is pure form of cricket or not it is going to be a drag.

I was watching the Eng-SL ODI today and most were 65+ men sitting in formal clothes and wearing a tie (On a Sunday afternoon!!!). Test cricket grounds were empty. Move to T20 and it was full with young people having fun. The traditionalists have been talking for test cricket for 30 or so years (Ever since ODI came). They will continue forever but T20 is going to evolve in the future and it is most likely going to be franchise based. Int. ODI and Test will still happen but in less nos.

 

[ferg512]

I often wonder why certain teams are good only at 1 format, like England and Sri Lanka for example. Sri Lankan batting has been really good in this ODI series apart from the 1st ODI but in the test series they found it so hard facing the same bowlers and English bowlers who bowled excellently in the test series are now unable to do the same in ODI's. Is it just the mindset of the team or what can be the reason why some teams just cant manage to do well in various formats.

Yeah good point, England certainly don't help themselves by having no domestic 50 over competition..

 

[Themer]

England certainly don't help themselves by having no domestic 50 over competition..

I actually believe that has no bearing on the matter personally. I'd be more inclined to say it was because England batsmen are taught to not hit the ball in the air and to see out the new ball in English conditions.

Hence why we lack power hitters and power play batsmen.

 

[mohit_dude10]

Yeah good point, England certainly don't help themselves by having no domestic 50 over competition..

Yeah that might be one of the reason, because they often don't seem to know when and how to pace their innings.

I actually believe that has no bearing on the matter personally. I'd be more inclined to say it was because England batsmen are taught to not hit the ball in the air and to see out the new ball in English conditions.

Hence why we lack power hitters and power play batsmen.

Well in the current top 6 they have 3 players who are quite aggressive and play shots. Kieswetter, Pietersen and Morgan, to some extent Bell is also aggressive. So that might not really be the case, they just don't seem to know how to pace their innings. Like someone said earlier the bowlers are too focused on saving runs rather than attacking like they do in tests.

 

[ferg512]

I actually believe that has no bearing on the matter personally. I'd be more inclined to say it was because England batsmen are taught to not hit the ball in the air and to see out the new ball in English conditions.

Hence why we lack power hitters and power play batsmen.

Yeah good point, I'm sure not having a 50 over competition must contribute though, but then again doesn't South Africa does well in ODIs and they only have 40 over domestic as well dont they?? I'm not sure..

 

[Themer]

Well in the current top 6 they have 3 players who are quite aggressive and play shots. Kieswetter, Pietersen and Morgan

Two of whom were raised and originally played cricket in South Africa, the other Ireland.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Just heard the news on Times Now that Srilankan Premier League has been cancelled indefinitely as Indian players were not allowed to join the league. Due to which the sponsors did not find it interesting.

But cancelling the league is too much.

 

[angryangy]

Well it's bad enough that they've been strong-armed by the BCCI into this position; running the competition at a loss is like saying "thank you sir, please kick me in the crotch again".

 

[riz7khan12]

Just heard the news on Times Now that Srilankan Premier League has been cancelled indefinitely as Indian players were not allowed to join the league. Due to which the sponsors did not find it interesting.

But cancelling the league is too much.

dont know how credible the source is, but i wouldn't believe it unless it was on cricinfo.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Sri Lanka Premier League: SLPL future to be decided on Friday | Cricket News | Sri Lanka Premier League | ESPN Cricinfo

Here's the link

 

[mohit_dude10]

I think its just a l-ame excuse. I find it hard to believe the sponsors were willing to do it only because the likes of Rohit Sharma, Ravindra Jadeja were playing in it.