India in England Jun-Sept 2014

[ParkedTheBus]

Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman and he himself at their peak and still on the right side of age for Cricket. Sehwag was at his destructive best, and Ganguly had Kumble and Harbhajan at his best to call up on

Got to disagree with you on a few points. While the spinners were better for Ganguly's team, Sachin of 2007-pre world cup 2011 was better than the one Ganguly had, both the openers were much better and I would say the Laxman of 2008-11 was better than 2001-06. The pacers were better for MSD's team and the WK was obviously better as well.

 

[PokerAce]

Not sure Ballance or Pujara would agree with you!

Oh trust me, if the review was in the hands of the Umpire, they would both be overjoyed. Why can't an Umpire voluntarily consult the tech when in doubt. If the umpire has to make a decision when in doubt, without, the option of consulting tech which is available, you are in that situation asking him to guess. Thats when errors happen. The tech is there, and if the umpire has some doubt why not consult the tech before going making the decision. Instead first 'guess' and then have it challenged is the wrong way around.

 

[Chief]

A run out at this stage of a test match.

BUG.

 

[PokerAce]

Got to disagree with you on a few points. While the spinners were better for Ganguly's team, Sachin of 2007-pre world cup 2011 was better than the one Ganguly had, both the openers were much better and I would say the Laxman of 2008-11 was better than 2001-06. The pacers were better for MSD's team and the WK was obviously better as well.

Again disagree with you .. Its beyond dispute that Tendulkar was at his sublime best pre-tennis elbow injury. Post than Tendulkar was very defensive, a lot of the aggression in him was gone.

Laxman again best 2001 + a few years.

Also the biggest guarantee of a home win, more than all those batsmen, was Kumble and Dhoni never had him in his side.

Also about pacers, the best pacer, India ever had in the past 20 years since Kapil Dev, was and I am sure all will agree Irfan Pathan. That guy was a fking giant, and could run through sides, till Ganguly and that clown Greg Chappel ruined him. They suddenly wanted him to bat, develop outswingers and what not. THat is the biggest dissservice done to Indian cricket. Pathan when he was at his best, was like poetry through motion. I really feel for the bloke.

 

[aditya123]

I am not even remotely saying that. But I want them to try someone else and see if the results can change. No one can say how results would turn out to be (unless fixing happens). But my theory is that Dhoni and his defensive (at many times, laidback) mindset coupled with his wierd selections continue to hurt India a lot. I also believe Dhoni has become a lot more stubborn these days and has closed himself to even the constructive criticism that comes his way.[DOUBLEPOST=1407602208][/DOUBLEPOST]

Who's that? Hope you are not referring to Sehwag.

I want to see Dhoni angry and react for once. We never see that with him, even with a side that he is building. You have to sometimes make a lot of enemies to build a team. Ganguly did that. He built a side and made a lot of enemies.

Anyone who has watched enough cricket over the last couple of years would know that Ashwin is a better test match batsman than Jadeja as well. Time and again he process that but yet the captain and his ego makes him a lesser batsman than Jadeja.

 

[richowebbo]

Oh trust me, if the review was in the hands of the Umpire, they would both be overjoyed. Why can't an Umpire voluntarily consult the tech when in doubt. If the umpire has to make a decision when in doubt, without, the option of consulting tech which is available, you are in that situation asking him to guess. Thats when errors happen. The tech is there, and if the umpire has some doubt why not consult the tech before going making the decision. Instead first 'guess' and then have it challenged is the wrong way around.

Yeah but India won't allow the tech to be used. So its a moot point.[DOUBLEPOST=1407603647][/DOUBLEPOST]

I want to see Dhoni angry and react for once. We never see that with him, even with a side that he is building. You have to sometimes make a lot of enemies to build a team. Ganguly did that. He built a side and made a lot of enemies.

Anyone who has watched enough cricket over the last couple of years would know that Ashwin is a better test match batsman than Jadeja as well. Time and again he process that but yet the captain and his ego makes him a lesser batsman than Jadeja.

If he comes out and is his usual nice and polite self after this dross, I think he'll be in serious jeopardy!

 

[PokerAce]

Yeah but India won't allow the tech to be used. So its a moot point.[DOUBLEPOST=1407603647][/DOUBLEPOST]
If he comes out and is his usual nice and polite self after this dross, I think he'll be in serious jeopardy!

Why not, DRS not being implemented right is one of BCCI's main gripe. They don't want the tech in the hands of the captain, but want it to be with the Umpires. If you give it to the Umpires, which is how it should be, BCCI would be more welcoming, and hence its not a moot point.

Also since you don;t have any real counter to that point, its obvious you also feel that the Umpire being able to use the tech is not the worst idea in the world.

 

[PokerAce]

Yeah but India won't allow the tech to be used. So its a moot point.[DOUBLEPOST=1407603647][/DOUBLEPOST]
If he comes out and is his usual nice and polite self after this dross, I think he'll be in serious jeopardy!

Dhoni angry not going to happen. The guy who plays one of best under pressure innings ever in a World Cup final, and then smashes the ball into the crowd, and then at the end of it all just manages a simple smile for celebration, is not going to be screaming mad at a post match interview.

 

[Satan666]

No, we are not. For a good 10 years in the 2000s, we were used to our side fighting it out overseas and doing well. This side has it in them to do well. They just are`nt converting opportunities here. Also, this is a series where we led 1-0 and England were the ones who were to answer a lot of questions. Jadeja has to go out here, even if it means bringing in Dhawan and playing Gambhir in the middle order. Could even go back to Ishant/Shami in place of Jadeja.

From being 1-0 up to being so hopelessly bad is what hurts the most.

I dont remember India winning any series in Aus, SA or Eng. They had two draws in 2000's, one in England and one in Australia, better than any other Indian team but certainly this cant be considered as doing good or even great.

No offence mate but bringing in Dhawan for the fourth test is insane, the guy is by no means a test player of any pedigree. Plus Sirji has three triple centuries in fc and bowls handy he more than deserves his place!

 

[richowebbo]

Why not, DRS not being implemented right is one of BCCI's main gripe. They don't want the tech in the hands of the captain, but want it to be with the Umpires. If you give it to the Umpires, which is how it should be, BCCI would be more welcoming, and hence its not a moot point.

It is a moot point as BCCI won't let the tech be used. I would imagine some umpires would love to hear you saying that they just "guess". That is a ridiculous claim.

The point of DRS is to correct decisions from the Umpires. As they are human, they make errors. They are very very often correct, and do not simply "guess" as you so eloquently put it. You do seem like you are up for an argument tonight fella!

 

[SaiSrini]

IMO, Dhoni essentially destroyed his own personality when he changed to become this emotionless guy who doesn't react at all to either victory or defeat. Still remember the Dhoni of the 2007 T20 WC who lifted Robin Uthappa and held him tight after that nail biting tie against Pakistan (which we won subsequently through the Super Over). What and who made him change is a mystery (probably he will reveal it after he retires). He did try some sarcastic barbs at his own teammates in the recent IPL but that's about that.

 

[PokerAce]

It would be hilarious, if it rains for the next two days with India already having lost. Spineless display here. I remember in 2002 (?) in West Indies, when India were trying to save a test relying on rain. Had a collapse, and during the presentation post match it started to pour. Even John Wright the coach I remember, looked up at the sky and all the rain, and had a wry smile on his face.

 

[Satan666]

I am sorry but Ganguly had the Best India had to offer. Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman and he himself at their peak and still on the right side of age for Cricket. Sehwag was at his destructive best, and Ganguly had Kumble and Harbhajan at his best to call up on. Kumble was a giant at home. Kumble on those Indian pitches, was 100% guarantee of a win. Dhoni has never played at home (or away) with Kumble in his side and still delivered.

If you compare what the two captains had, Ganguly had a far far better side to captain.

Right on the money there pokerface. True facts their, what a team Ganguly had. MSD is by far the best captain ever for India and one of the best of the modern era.

 

[Epic]

I'm putting Poker up for the man of the thread award, which I am creating with immediate effect.

I dont remember India winning any series in Aus, SA or Eng. They had two draws in 2000's, one in England and one in Australia, better than any other Indian team but certainly this cant be considered as doing good or even great.

No offence mate but bringing in Dhawan for the fourth test is insane, the guy is by no means a test player of any pedigree. Plus Sirji has three triple centuries in fc and bowls handy he more than deserves his place!

India have never won a Test series in Australia or South Africa, ever, but there was a 1-0 win in 2007 in England under Dravid.

 

[richowebbo]

I'd have loved Steven Finn to have been bowling in place of Chris Jordan. He is not a test match bowler by any standards. Looks OK in shorter formats.

The worst thing for Indian fans has to be that only Ali and Anderson have bowled well, yet all these wickets have been taken. Chris Woakes trying to hard for me.