India in England Jun-Sept 2014
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kidding?or serious
Serious.
He is the only guy who has shown some kind of consistency. Atleast he could go and block one end up. The downside is if he gets out to the new ball, then the Eng bowling attack will run through the line up, like a hot knife through butter
greymatter776
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Dont think exposing Dhoni to the new ball could do good but when nothing works such moves may work.With shuffle of order I meant Pujara to open with Vijay,Gambhir at 3 and Rahane at 4 with Kohli at 5.
I don;t think that will help. Its the same lot that has fallen like card houses to the new ball. This will still expose them to the new ball, only in different order. I don;t see that altering the outcome much.
Seriously Dhoni is the only one who has stood up as a Batsman, so let him promote himself up. He will be able to bat longer, as invaribly he has to start slogging once the tail gets in and then gets out (if he doesn't get out early of course)
greymatter776
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To justify my selection the following should happen;
*Pujara and Vijay should bat out a fair amount of overs.
*Gambhir should try play his shots rather than making awkward defensive which would be easy once bowl gets older.
*Rahane at 4 would delay Kohli's exposure early on which could help him largely.[DOUBLEPOST=1408202939][/DOUBLEPOST]Hope India could do something from the second new ball just taken.
*Pujara and Vijay should bat out a fair amount of overs.
*Gambhir should try play his shots rather than making awkward defensive which would be easy once bowl gets older.
*Rahane at 4 would delay Kohli's exposure early on which could help him largely.[DOUBLEPOST=1408202939][/DOUBLEPOST]Hope India could do something from the second new ball just taken.
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Satan666
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Similarly as those runs by the WI and Aus teams were exceptional the Indians of late 2000s cannot be compared to them, the Indians werent as you say exceptional, glad we agree.
I said South Africa is almost there with these great teams, not there, hopefully with time and yes winning in India will make them as legendary, the Aussies may have a strong team coming together as we are seeing.
It has been some debate for a while the ICC rankings are flawed, too much to go into here and on this thread, do some research.
It may not be necessary to win every overseas tour but obviously playing against the Aussies in their own backyard and winning is something to brag about, which I remind you no Indian team has achieved to date, not even the best you produced in the late 2000's.
So what is your stance on the ranking sytem? Yay or Nay?
As I have alluded to before you are entitled to your views due to your culture as am I and the English fans or Sri Lankan fans or Antarctica fans. I hold the Pak-Ind clashes higher than anything I am not trying to convince you that you should also.
If the series against the West Indies is drawn would you consider that a triumph after this disastrous English tour? In fact do you and other Indians or MSD and team India even consider this present series as a disaster?[/quote][/QUOTE]
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In an ideal world a lot 'should' happen, but its not been happening. Pujara has been poor, Vijay's early form is lost. Pujara especially worries me, because, while Kohli has been getting out to the away swingers, but Pujare has fallen to both the one going away and coming in.
Also MSD bating up is not based on what 'should' happen, but rather on the evidence of what has been happening on this tour. He is the only guy who has played. So why have him come in when a crisis is already there, instead have him come in before there is a crisis.
We can't really meddle around with the two openers, so they play, but after that atleast Rahane 3, MSD 4.
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Satan666
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The English declaration should come here, wrap this game early tomorrow inside three days!
lol mate calm down ofcourse this is a disaster!
india will mostly win against WI, just because the win is against a weak team at home conditions doesnt mean victory comes easily and shouldnt be enjoyed, victory is always sweet, ofcourse we should be vary of short comings and our flaws that have been exposed and improve on it.As long as that happens i see no point in not enjoying any victory got by my team.
England is just another team, our problem is dealing with swing not england, just a flaw in the young brigade to fix by the next tour, we have handled SA nad NZ well against pace and bounce.Hope that happens in AUS.
So i dont see any reason to get obsessed with england.
bowling as always will be a problem nothing much other than getting yadav and mishra/ojha in can be done about it.
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You say winning in Australia is somthing to brag about - to you maybe it is. I would still much rather win against Pak than Aus, and even that doesn't compare to the World Cup. And Pak only slightly more than ANY way series, Aus, or SA, or Eng. Not that I would not love beating Aus in Aus, but that just shows how much of an Aussie centric world Eng cricket lives in !! Also Ind-Pak is not the issue here it is where the World Cup rates.
Actually on second thoughts, Pak, Aus (away), SA (away), Eng (away) are more or less on par, all equally important, but World Cup still above all these.
If Ind dont beat WI then that is a bigger disaster than this series ! As for this series, even if by the biggest of miracles, Ind somehow draw this 2-2, it would still be a disaster.
Also, I am glad u said the Australia run starting around 99 world cup, and when they won 16 matches on the trot and continued to abot 2007 was exceptional. I think you will remember that even during one of these exceptional runs the Aussies came and lost in India
. In Kolkata they lost what would have been their 17 consecutive win on the trot, and lost the next one too and lost the series. So again Winning Every Series is not important for an exceptional run even.What is really odd is that to you when Aus lost in India and thus clearly didn't win everything its okay - still a super run, when SA never won in India, its okay - still a super run, and yet when Ind dont win everything in a run, its not a good run. I like how your logic and yardstick suddenly changes for India !!
Forget your logic and Yardstick, the most laughable is suddenly when Ind are #1 the ranking system is faulty
!! If you still dont see how ridiculous your logic is then what can I say.Look India were ranked the #1. That ranking is not subject to your approval or your liking. So coming back to the main point, we have had India as the #1 team in the world and we have won the World Cup and winning the World Cup was better.
Hell even if you think Ind shouldn't have been #1, because the run was not good enough for you, or u think that math went on leave or whatever other silly little reason, that still doesn't change the fact that as Ind fans we have experienced the joy of seeing MS Dhoni lift the mace http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...m-s-dhoni-gets-icc-test-championship-mace.jpg and we have seen him lift the WC. Winning the WC felt just a lot better. Hence winning the World Cup > test no. 1.
Contrary to this, you have never seen any Eng skipper lift the World Cup (regardless of how much someone thinks they deserved to lift it or not), and have never experienced that joy. So how can u know? I can understand Ashes is more special to you more than other test series, I get that. However, the biggest prize across all cricket is the world cup. How I say that I have listed above.
So stop trying to dispute whether Ind should have been no. 1 (of course they should have been, they had a great fking run), even if u disagree the fact is that they were #1 and we have seen and still the feeling of winning the world cup are much better ! You on the other had, have never experienced an Eng Captain lift the world cup and so cannot know what winning the world cup is like, let alone compare two things and know which was better.
Why can u not accept this simple truth?
To add, even if Ashes is your fav series or most imp thing and lets say its same for the Aussies, but even then to the 8 of 10 test playing nations, don't play any series even half as iconic as the ashes, the WC still is the most important prize, and even though Eng and Aus may disagree, the WC to the over all cricket nations is the biggest prize there is.
The stance on the ranking system is that till all teams play each other over the same period its not the best system. Yet even with this fault in place, which has nothing to do with math, and the math adds up equally for all teams. The system is incomplete but, the math still works, and that doesn't change that right now SA are #1.
Under the same system, Aus were #1, Ind were #1, Eng were #1 and SA were #1. So when the Aus, Eng or SA can be #1 without a dispute, why should there be dispute when under the same system Ind are #1? You can either say, the system is not complete, so there has never been a #1 test side, or you can say Ind, AUs, SA and Eng hvae been #1. What you cannot say, is Eng, AUs, and SA were #1, but Ind #1 is incorrect because the system is not complete. Thats laughable u see. Also this whole system point is all beside the point. You can say the WC is not in the best format possible, so what there is still a champion.
Point remains, MS Dhoni recieved the mace, and that was great to see, but not as great as seeing him lift the world Cup. Hence World Cup > #1 Test.
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Exactly all this gloating by Eng fans, when they are beating Ind who have been by some distance the world travellers in the past three years, in cricket, a team that a bunch of monkeys would beat out of the sub continent right now, and yet the bloke has a problem with Ind looking forward to beating WI. I mean WI are not worse travellers than Ind !!
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