India in England Jun-Sept 2014

[PokerAce]

I think the "stories" of riots and violence due to India-Pak matches are totally exaggerated and in some cases outright false. I have never witnessed any such "riots" ever since I started following cricket. The celebrations are louder when we win against India - fireworks etc. - but when we lose the backlash is maybe a bit harsher, but in no way more violent. The most violence I have seen is when the match was disrupted in 1996 world cup against SRL or when stones were pelted during the 2003 world cup when we lost to Aus in the group match. Neither incident related to Pak in any way.

Edit: And I am not saying the rivalry isn't fierce. It is mainly because of the wars we have fought and the deep rooted political issues between the two countries in general. But just that these tales of violence and riots are hardly ever true (Atleast on the Indian side. I cannot comment on how fans/public reacts in Pakistan)

Have u forgotten, V Prasad vs A Sohail ! Or Eden Garden having to be emptied during the now defunct Asian Test Championship after the SRT run out, after he was blocked from finishing a run by Wasim (probably). Not to mention tonnes of these type in incidents in Pakistan.

Love Moin Khan saying SRT shouldn't have walked off, only one stone had hit one of his players.

 

[PokerAce]

Cricket nor IND/PAK battles doesn't have a crowd disaster equivalent to the Hillsborough disaster - nor do fans in cricket on either side resort to the kind of racism/vile chanting in football in certain parts of europe - although I have heard from UK IND/PAK fans that sometimes fans get dirty with hindu/muslim chants.

For crowd control purposes United/Liverpool games are played at midday for example - never a night game. IND/PAK authorities i have never noticed them do that in cricket.

I was at a India/PAK 99 W-Cup game i now remember @ Old Trafford when i was 10. The only cricket crowd atmosphere that can rival football I've witness - but would give a United/Liverpool clash a slight edge over that, although not by much.

Cricketers get plenty of racist abuse, all the time. Harbhajan especially was tortured and abused in all kinds of way cos of his turban.

For any Ind Pak match, trust me if they are happening in Ind or Pak, the army is always on standby. THe rest of the security measure, dont compare to Ind Pak matches. The whole stadium is totally cordoned off, traffic directed away, (except those attending ofcourse).

Also its a good thing that 99 WC was in Eng. Had it been in Pak or Ind, it would have been impossible to organise.

 

[abhi_jacko]

Nothing happened between the crowd during Prasad vs Sohail as far as I remember. And Asia Cup again, there were no riots you know. Some section of crowd misbehaved and they were kicked out. That doesn't really amount to violent clashes between fans of the two sides.

I guess this stone pelting thing is fairly serious and the worst I have seen during an India-Pak clash (besides the Inzi going into Hulk mode incident in Toronto :P). Doesn't match up to the savagery that one sees in football rivalries (and I am glad it doesn't)

 

[PokerAce]

Nothing happened between the crowd during Prasad vs Sohail as far as I remember. And Asia Cup again, there were no riots you know. Some section of crowd misbehaved and they were kicked out. That doesn't really amount to violent clashes between fans of the two sides.

I guess this stone pelting thing is fairly serious and the worst I have seen during an India-Pak clash (besides the Inzi going into Hulk mode incident in Toronto :P). Doesn't match up to the savagery that one sees in football rivalries (and I am glad it doesn't)

The entire crowd had to be moved out. The next day the match was finished in an empty Eden Gardens. Also Ind - Pak matches don't get that ugly because any Indo-Pak match is played under the tightest of security if in Ind or Pakistan. And the security sees to it that fans disperse well. Doesn't mean the potential to get uglier than anything football has ever seen is not there.

 

[abhi_jacko]

The entire crowd had to be moved out. The next day the match was finished in an empty Eden Gardens. Also Ind - Pak matches don't get that ugly because any Indo-Pak match is played under the tightest of security if in Ind or Pakistan. And the security sees to it that fans disperse well. Doesn't mean the potential to get uglier than anything football has ever seen is not there.

Haha - I love how you are hell bent on proving that we are violent idiots. So, Fine. If not controlled, India-Pak fans would riot and kill each other over a game of cricket :P

 

[PokerAce]

Haha - I love how you are hell bent on proving that we are violent idiots. So, Fine. If not controlled, India-Pak fans would riot and kill each other over a game of cricket :P

Well not every match, but I bet if the '99 WC was in Ind or Pak then some fans were gonna get into trouble. What I am also saying is that the security is very tight, tighter than it would be for a sport. Its on another level when Ind or Pak are vising each ther.

So maybe not kill each other, but it could get seriously ugly.

 

[Satan666]

India always had a huge craze for Cricket, alongside Hockey. All the 83 world cup did was push hockey out. Cricket however didn't come in thx to 83. Also its quite weird how you are saying a world cup is not the biggest tournament there is in Cricket or indeed any sport. While the Ashes may be a big deal to you, and to the Aussies, to the rest of the world its just a test series. Sure we get all the history and the importance to Eng and Aus, but do you really think that the Ashes is the pinnacle of cricket. I mean to 8 of the 10 test playing nations its just a random series among gazillions. ALso 83 didnt put in us the love for ODI cricket, Indians love all Cricket Period. Sure we never got to celebrate a lot of test wins, but the ones we did win are still stuff of the legends. 71 series WI, 86 series Eng. So don't say that Ind only loves ODI cricket.

Also while I get that Eng Aus is a huge thing, but trust me, it cannot come close to Ind Pak encounters, and to that there is no argument. For the ashes sure the 'cricket' loving pop of England get excited, but Indo Pak matches its every single one of the two countries regardless of whether he has any love for Cricket. All Indians want to beat Pakistan and vice versa. The most in the Ashes some abuses are hurled and thats it, Indo Pak matches have the potential to start fking riots. And I am not talking about small ones, fking mental riots, and there have been during Ind Pak matches. Cricket is such HUGE thing here, especially Indo Pak matches, that it can bring the two nations togehter and absolutely pull them apart. I have been hearing a lot about the Ashes but it cannot do 1% of any of this.

So even, with this rivalvary, the tension, the pressure, the stakes, which all the Ashes put together cannot match one tense Indo - Pak encounter ... I can tell you tht neither to India nor to Pakistan, winning an Indo-Pak test series, betters winning a World Cup !



I mean I am not kidding, the Ashes rivalry to us is Cute.

What I am trying to instill in you is to simply respect the other nations' culture and traditions, just as you and other Indians think the ODI world cup is everything or a Pak-Ind clash similarly the the English may think the Ashes is everything, and as a neutral you must respect that. Every young kid growing up 10 or so years ago learning about cricket would have read an article about the ashes, the whole euphoria of the stumps being burnt, the urn etc. have engrossed our attention. Now kids growing up only care about T20 cricket! Sad!

For what its worth I savour the Pakistani-Indian clashes more than any thing on offer in any sport........for obvious reasons............obviously.

 

[Umair7]

Aussies/English and their supporters (Others) Like me would prefer a Ashes win over World Cup any-day , at least most of us will do and tbh Ashes = Ind/Pak Rivalry

 

[namin96]

First of all, I have to say that I'm really proud of Dhoni for showing the will and technique to gut it out when the team was 34-5. Dhoni is a true representative of India and it seems like he actually cares. Second, if I was the captain I would NOT continue supporting pujara and kohli. They absolutely need to sit out for a couple games to keep their high egos in check after that SA tour. Both of them have not shown any application or responsibility whatsoever. When ishant Sharma can play 40+ balls, I don't see why Kohli and Pujara can't do crap. I suggest both of them should sit out and watch YouTube videos of Tendulkar or Dravid playing in England. Third, there isn't much Dhoni can do after taking a side from 34-5 to 148 all out, so he should NOT be criticized by any means and it makes no sense to criticize him for the defeats overseas even though I know people like gavaskar will go right after him for the series defeat. It's absolutely disappointing that the top order cannot play responsibly for the country even on independence day.

 

[Deleted member 9102]

Robson is useless.

 

[PokerAce]

What I am trying to instill in you is to simply respect the other nations' culture and traditions, just as you and other Indians think the ODI world cup is everything or a Pak-Ind clash similarly the the English may think the Ashes is everything, and as a neutral you must respect that. Every young kid growing up 10 or so years ago learning about cricket would have read an article about the ashes, the whole euphoria of the stumps being burnt, the urn etc. have engrossed our attention. Now kids growing up only care about T20 cricket! Sad!

For what its worth I savour the Pakistani-Indian clashes more than any thing on offer in any sport........for obvious reasons............obviously.

Oh pls we all get the importance of the Ashes for Eng and Aus, any cricket follower does.

The important point is you are missing why in the past 10 years every kid has been hearing about the Ashes, because you won the Ashes 10 years ago, after a long run of one side dominance from the Aussies, so that Ashes is a keypoint in Eng cricket and pushed up the popularity.

Which is the point I have been making all along, compared to winning the world cup, winning the Ashes, is nothing. You don;t know that yet because you have never won the world cup. I am not talking about the T20 WC, which not even serious cricket let along serious world cup. THE World Cup is sweeter than winning any number of test series, and if one Ashes win could push up pop of cricket so much, what a world cup win will do you cannot even imagine. The reason is you have never won the world cup, so you have never experienced that high. The ashes is as good as it ever got, and that is why you think that is the best it could ever get. If Eng win the World Cup then you will know the difference, till then you will keep thinking, the Ashes is the best it could get.

Once you win the world cup then every kid for the next 10 years will grow up reading about the World Cup win and the post will shift.

Since a lot of football analogy has been thrown around, let me give the example of Arsenal - Spurs. Spurs have never won anything big for many years, and to them its all about beating Arsenal, sure they savor other wins, but beating Arsenal (of finishing above them) is the best it could get. They have not tasted the big success in a million years, and so they don't know that feeling anymore. Once they taste it, they will realise beating their rivals is secondary there is greater glory to be had.

Similarly Eng are living in a very Aussie centric world, which they dont and probably will not realise till they win the World Cup.

 

[asprin]

You gotta admire at least one skill that the Indian batsman seem to possess. They make the pitch seem like a minefield when they bat and a flat track when they bowl.

 

[grkrama]

India win it with 6 wkts remaining, eng outplayed totally.
IndWn 183/4 (95.3 ov, S Pandey 28*, M Raj 50*, NR Sciver 0/27) - Match over | Live Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[PokerAce]

Right now I think - Bhuvi, Dhoni are the only ones that have done their reputation some good on this tour.

Ishant has been okay, Aaron has impressed in patches, Vijay started well and has had a poor run since. Rahane a few good innings. Thats it.

Everyone else has been in the range of poor to disaster.

 

[lion100lion]

You gotta admire at least one skill that the Indian batsman seem to possess. They make the pitch seem like a minefield when they bat and a flat track when they bowl.

Skill ??
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India win it with 6 wkts remaining, eng outplayed totally.

Unluckily, this match isn't being broadcasted.