India in England Jun-Sept 2014

[richowebbo]

Yes its off how ppl get stereotyped as Test only. I remember Dravid for so long was brandished as test only, but later went on to have a great run in the one day side too. Actually at a time he used to come in at 5 and played the role of a finisher !!

Ballance and Root should really be playing everything cricket. There is no reason to start stereotyping them. Also I think Eng are still very much in the series, India have a habit of collapsing overseas and that collapse almost came in the first ODI, only Raina then played a super knock. I think India were 4 down in 30 overs or so. ANother wicket then and things would have been very different.

As for Kohli I think he will come good in the series. He had a 70 in the warm up match vs middlesex. Also the shot he got out to is not an out of form batsman's dismissal. A good shot from the middle off the bat, unfortunately went straight to the fielder. Out of form Batsman, usually go out to edges, or miscues or skiers. Rarely to firm shots off the meat of the bat. So hopefully in the next match that same shot goes in the gap.

With regard to P40 alternatives in India, actually I am too sure of the P40 format myself. I know its a 40 over tournament, but which teams participate in it I am not sure. In India domestic cricket there are just too many 50 over tournaments. There is the Hazare Trophy, Deodhar Trophy, Challenger Trophy and Corporate Trophy. All of them have the 50 over format and not 40 over format. Hazare Trophy and Deodhar Trophy are the two biggest ODI trophies in India. In Hazare istrophy the teams that play in Ranji Trophy are the ones that take part, only here the format is 50 over. In Deodhar trophy the Ranji teams are distributed over 5 zones, East, West, North, South, Central, and from each Zone the best players are selected and then these Zones play against each other. Its, something like All Star matches in NBA where teams are distributed in Eastern and Western Conferences, only on a much lesser scale.

However the solution is hardly to play in these tournaments where honestly the standard is far too low when compared to Int'l cricket, although I am sure as a last resort he would have to do this too if things keep going like this.

Thanks for the info re: 50 over in India. The standard in County cricket is actually good at the moment, so it makes sense for out of form players to go back to the counties and make some runs/take some wickets. I guess with only 16 (I think!) teams, there is a smaller pool. Plus India is HUGE!

ON another random subject, my new doctor used to play for Kent Juniors! He is of Sri Lankan descent. Top guy as wel!

 

[Deleted member 9102]

I've seen him live, and he can go some when he needs to. People who have only watched him play for England think he's the new Trott. He's just played that role in tests, and did it very well.

I said to you before that I thought India would crush us. We just aren't very good at 50 over cricket. I have no idea why they don;t just do 50 over in county cricket. It makes no sense! We struggle with pacing. I'd have BUtler up at 4 so he doesn't come in under pressure.

I think it would do Ali good to be knocked around a bit. It would encourage him to improve.

Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but is there an equivelent to the P40 in India? If so, do you think Koli should go back, get some runs, and come back again?

The one day competition in county cricket this year is 50 over games.

 

[aditya123]

I disagree with POker often, and we've full on barny once! But we agree on lots of things and its fun to disagree sometimes right? How boring would it be if we all agreed?[DOUBLEPOST=1409233753][/DOUBLEPOST]

That is what I said as well. PC would be a boring place without all the disagreement that goes on here.

 

[abhi_jacko]

After our batting performance in the 2nd ODI, do you think there is a place for Pujara in the line up ?

I still feel like he should be in the reckoning for the world cup squad, but he has literally zero international experience. I think he would actually be pretty good as an opener. And he is not just a grafter - has scored some huge scores in quick time. Capable of going for the shots, but unlike our current openers if the shots are not happening then he is skilled enough to rotate the strike. I pray that he gets picked for the ODI series with West Indies

Infact, who is out first choice replacement opener if Dhawan continues to disappoint ?

 

[greymatter776]

Infact, who is out first choice replacement opener if Dhawan continues to disappoint ?

Rahane could do it but that would make no sense because Rahane who is generally an opener was moulded by the management over the years to be a middle order batsman.But I think he could be the opener in 50 over cricket and be a middle order batsman in test.In ODIs let Rahane open with Rohit,Kohli to follow,Raina at 4,some new face at five,be it Samson or Rayudu or even Manoj Tiwari (the last choice).Dhoni at 6,Jadeja and Ashwin the spinners,Bhuvaneshwar, Ishant/Shami/Umesh the pacers.

 

[richowebbo]

That is what I said as well. PC would be a boring place without all the disagreement that goes on here.

Yeah, I just think people need to chill out and stop taking things personally. Thats the issue I had with Poker to begin with, he took what I was saying to seriously. But we get along now and we have great discussions about cricket. After all, its just a forum. Nothing I say here is meant in malice. I just want to talk about cricket with nice guys. I posted something after the last test saying thanks to the Indian fans, because chatting on here was great for me. I've had a rough few months mentally and talking about my favourite sport helped massively, and you INdian fans know so much about cricket. When you go to a match here,a lot of the fans have heard about the Barmy Army and just go for a piss up!

 

[abhi_jacko]

Rahane could do it but that would make no sense because Rahane who is generally an opener was moulded by the management over the years to be a middle order batsman.But I think he could be the opener in 50 over cricket and be a middle order batsman in test.In ODIs let Rahane open with Rohit,Kohli to follow,Raina at 4

No love for Pujara, eh ? :P

I dont mind Rahane as an opener, but Raina at 4 experiment was a bit of a failure, wasn't it. I think Raina fits then no.5 role better.

 

[grkrama]

let me stir the pot again with another recurring topic,

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exactly my thoughts on DRS, the powers to take review should rest not with players but with the group of relaxed people sitting in each teams dugout, plugged to a laptop and by the umpire panel.

Perhaps the most important lesson is that if the ambition of the system is to end up with the correct decision, then using technology to help experts is a better approach than using it to second-guess them.

 

[abhi_jacko]

I just want to talk about cricket with nice guys.

Well said, sir. Having moved to (French) Canada recently, it is hard to find people who are keen on discussing the one sport that rules all, Cricket. So PC is the perfect outlet for me to have never-ending discussions on cricket. Gets on my nerves at times, especially when I think I that my viewpoint is the only one that should be acceptable , but 99 times out of 100, it is absolutely delightful. Or as Mr. Shastri would say, "just what the doctor ordered"

 

[greymatter776]

No love for Pujara, eh ? :P

I dont mind Rahane as an opener, but Raina at 4 experiment was a bit of a failure, wasn't it. I think Raina fits then no.5 role better.

Pujara as an opener well..,ha, I got a point against it.We know that Pujara wasn't that great in the tests and one main reason for this is his exposure to new ball early on and so he shouldn't open when the ball seems.Also he has struggled lot to balls that come in and England got Anderson,Australia has Johnson who could swing it into the right hander with ease with the new ball.

 

[grkrama]

I would like pujara in odis as well for the stability he offers but not as an opener, cause he and rohit wont go well together with strike rate, cant think of another place to graft him in.If shikhar was firingwe could have him in place of rohit, but with rohit showing the usual tease of his talent and shikar not performing, i cant think of him there, we need an attacking opener.

 

[greymatter776]

Blogs: Sidin Vadukut: India's medium-pace tradition must not be allowed to decay | Cricket Blogs | ESPN Cricinfo

One good article to read if you like sarcasm.

Right now, Singh says that his brightest student is one Sanjay Sathe from Maharashtra. "He is truly a once-in-a-generation player. In August during an Under-19 match he conceded 78 runs in 10 overs, dropped two catches and was run-out without facing a ball." The only blemish on this performance, Singh said, was that he took one wicket. "But that was due to a stumping, and that is one area of his bowling that is still weak," he explained.

 

[PokerAce]

After our batting performance in the 2nd ODI, do you think there is a place for Pujara in the line up ?

I still feel like he should be in the reckoning for the world cup squad, but he has literally zero international experience. I think he would actually be pretty good as an opener. And he is not just a grafter - has scored some huge scores in quick time. Capable of going for the shots, but unlike our current openers if the shots are not happening then he is skilled enough to rotate the strike. I pray that he gets picked for the ODI series with West Indies

Infact, who is out first choice replacement opener if Dhawan continues to disappoint ?

Should Pujara be playing ODIs - YES

Its mental in a way that he won't be part of the World Cup squad. Pujara even though more in the test mould can score freely and fast when he needs to. He has boundary shots. Look at Mahela, as conventional a player as any and look at his limited overs record.

India need Pujara's calming influence in the middle order.

I think for the World Cup, with Dhawan making himself unselectable, the one obvious option is to push Rahane up the order to open. He has been an opener in the past. So that would take care of one problem.

Pujara then slots in at 3, and Virat drops down to 4. MSD at 6, with Raina (in all likelihood) at 5. Jadeja at 7, Ashwin 8, and three seamers to complete the 11.

I would say its a good line up. I know Pujara's fielding is an issue in his selection, as after his knee surgery he is not the swiftest of movers, but I think if he can provide runs at 3, he should be in the team.

 

[abhi_jacko]

I so wish it was Sharma who was making himself un-selectable and Dhawan who was getting into form .. that would make things so much better for us :P

 

[richowebbo]

Well said, sir. Having moved to (French) Canada recently, it is hard to find people who are keen on discussing the one sport that rules all, Cricket. So PC is the perfect outlet for me to have never-ending discussions on cricket. Gets on my nerves at times, especially when I think I that my viewpoint is the only one that should be acceptable , but 99 times out of 100, it is absolutely delightful. Or as Mr. Shastri would say, "just what the doctor ordered"

I like to be corrected, so PC is good for that. Poker knows a hell of a lot, so is the man who always corrects me!

French Canada? Ever seen the South Park episode with the song "There's no Canada Like FRench Canada it's the only Canada in the land..."?